OT LeBron James said Kyle Rittenhouse should 'knock it off' after the teen cried during murder trial

no interest in trying to directly point out the flaw in that post you see? Your examples were not very compelling evidence to back your illogical claim up.

 

i thought maybe you could provide a different angle that made more sense, i might understand. Currently, i see the two examples as having major flaws and not providing an analogy that compares apples to apples.

how would your analogy hold up regarding drug use/abuse?

 

Good point. I think the difference is that murder is not a product. It's an action. There is no reason to make guns illegal because we've already made murder illegal.
Guns are not hard to make. Anybody can make a gun in an afternoon. You can 3D print a fully automatic gun in a week using a $300 printer... Much like making a plant illegal. Or rotting fruit juice.
These things are too easy to come by to successfully control them. You can only hope to control the people who would misuse them to harm others.

 

The practical reality is that some laws attempt to prevent anti-social conduct (EG Murder, rape, stealing) and some attempt to regulate morality (EG drugs sex between consenting adults). Barfo would put gun control laws into the former category, while you compare it to the latter. No matter how he explains his position you won't agree - or even consider his arguments relevant - because you are working off 2 completely different paradigms.

It's the same thing with the abortion argument - but that's a whole 'nother bucket of rabid weasels!

 

Would someone with a clear head be posting here?

 

The DA didn't drop the charges - the judge threw them out because he considers the law flawed.

 

actually if you read below, it was barfo who used a drug analogy as comparison. Not me… i asked him how its working out….

so im also not getting your point?

 

and this is largely why trying to have an actual conversation here is largely pointless…

im not sure how someone can take someone else’s comparison aNd then say i made it aNd its two different things and flawed….

lol….

 

OK. So was it really illegal then?

 

Which proves my point! How do you discuss something when there is no common ground? We are just talking past each other.

 

okay but im not the one that started that back and forth comparing something to what i said that you now are saying i tried comparing?

 

I don't disagree in principle. However, states tend to use laws like you describe to put guys like Telfair in jail just for having a gun in his car.

Telfair has been in trouble multiple times with guns but has never hurt anybody with a gun (to my knowledge).

If he weren't a millionaire he would probably have spent a lot of time in jail.

I'd prefer fewer laws than having otherwise innocent people being arrested for possessing a gun during a traffic stop. Laws like this tend to impact poor and minorities at far higher rates.

 

im saying what i have said. No need to interpret it. Its straight forward.
The 2nd amendment was created for the people to be able to defend themselves against an oppressive ruler. That threat still exists today regardless if our government has a militia or not, it was created because the oppressor had a militia. Never have the people had a militia that follows the peoples orders… hence the need for the 2nd amendment.

So again. Guns are now in the hands of both good and bad people.
And so are cars.
Should we outlaw cars because some people refuse to drive sober? Or drive within the speed limit?

If we did, we would only have criminals driving around.
Same thing with guns.
Ill fully admit I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed so maybe thats why im failing to see how this is not a common belief or considered common sense?

 

but thats not what i said. Thats twisting what i said. It seems like i said. But that isnt what i said.


i think there is even more confusion. I never said outlaw anything.
Again. I seem to be pointed at as comparing or saying things barfo said. Not me.

lets stop trying to read between the lines and just take words for what they are.

if good and bad people have guns and we outlaw guns, who will still have guns?
Criminals?