OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Increased immunity used to mean reduced likelihood of catching and getting sick (which also means less likely to spread). And it still does.

 

Other than the utter horror of changing the definition of a word, what is your issue? That people shouldn't take something for protection from a disease? What a horrible idea!

It feels like some of you are under the assumption that it's only worse for people who are vaccinated? Omicron is also looking to be much more likely to evade "immunity" from prior infection, unlike the Beta or Delta variants. Maybe we should change the definition of "natural immunity".

 

The lengths people will go to in order to justify ignoring facts.
You can easily prevent getting sick and transmitting infection to others.
Or you can join 800,000 dead Americans and counting.
Ignoring facts does not make you an independent thinker.

 

All these arguments are different hills to die on. First it was mask hill, later vaccine hill, now we are in dictionary corner.

I do not think I have seen so many people obsessed with so many hills since my basic training.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna8877

Fauci pushes for universal coronavirus vaccine

Researchers have been chasing so-called universal vaccines for years, with trials of long-lasting influenza vaccines first starting in 2019.

 

This is where it's at.

 

Significant difference between something that reliably prevents infection/transmission versus something that simply provides protection from death/hospitalization. My issue is with mandates and policies that are based on the former when the later is statistically much closer to the truth in action.

 

plus that whole, close schools but not churches.
Close small business but leave large corporations open

the mandates are the issue. Not the science

if the science was followed, large corps like Walmart that have much more traffic, would have been told to close instead of small businesses.

the closures were all financially motivated. Had nothing to do with science…

 

What is your reasoning for it then?

you don't think those making decisions saw the huge financial impact on wall street if they closed large corps down?

What other possible reason would they have to shit down small businesses with only a few employees and dozens of customers a day, vs large corps like target and walmart who have dozens and dozens of employees per store with thousands of customers per day per store?


You say nonsense. So show me some sense then.

 

The science shows that large, open buildings (like warehouses, basketball courts, and huge stores like Walmart) weren't significant vectors as long as distancing and masking guidelines were followed, because there is so much airflow that it's almost like being outside.

Smaller spaces like indoor restaurants were vectors because they don't have the luxury of the excess space to dillute the air patrons are breathing.

 

plenty of grocery only stores.
Of course there was no actual small businesses shut down, mandate. To put it in writing or words would have been discriminatory.

Were all dept stores forced to close? I think so but honestly dont recall.
End result was ma and pa stores struggle and closed, some permanently, while large. Orp stores were allowed to remain open.
Call it what you want.. it wasn't science dictating it.

 

but the percentage of people going into these establishments offsets the space.

were restaurants, who also sell food, offered initial options?

I belwive the options to maintain space was only after many small businesses were forced to close.

These small businesses dont have the lines of customers rhat the large corps have.
Id much rather walk into a 15x15 room with five other people in it than stand in a line with 15 people next to each other in a larger building.

im pretty sure the 6’ and plexi shields came only after we started opening back up, but was not an option initially offered?

 

It was mentioned target and Walmart also sell groceries. Im saying there are plenty of grocery only stores that are also more local and not large corps. So people still had places to shop.
following?

yes. It was silly how the mandates were doled out.

So if large corps are more able to absorb the shut down, why weren't they shut down?


Yes because the politicians who lead us are invested in them.


None of your responses really say anything?

 

The 6ft and, and (slightly later) the plastic shields were there from the start in the places I went. There was a huge run on clear plastic of all types so some places couldn't get them installed right away.

But the stores I went to had taped put 6ft markers where lines would form, etc. That was pretty standard early on.