The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

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  1. BankTeller

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    Yeah not gonna be an offensive juggernaut, that group. I would take Maxey over Thybulle. Thybulle and Nas are rather redundant and I personally think Nas will be a better player long term due to his physical profile.
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    This Grant hype has to die down.

    He hasn’t been good defensively since 2018 in OKC.

    He shoots 41% — 33% from three.

    He’s a Morris twin with a green light.
     
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    I for one am willing to part with CJ / RoCo / Powell / Nance / (1) #1 draft pick and (2) #2 draft picks and possibly Nurkic


    PORTLAND receives:
    Simmons (Philly)
    John Collins (ATL) after Jan 15th
    Woods (Houston)

    [Dame / Powell / Simmons / Collins / Woods]
    Smith / Simons / McLemore / Nance / Zeller
    Watford / Brown / Blevins

    ATLANTA receives:
    Harris (Philly)
    #1 pick / protected (from Portland)

    PHILLY receives:
    Woods (Houston)
    RoCo (Portland) expiring
    CJ (Portland) they can always trade CJ
    Snell (Portland) expiring
    Elleby (Portland)
    (2) #1 picks / unprotected (Portland, obtained from Houston) and unprotected (2025 Portland)

    [philly picks up good picks, serviceable players, expiring contracts] They get rid of $69,000,000!

    HOUSTON receives:
    Nurkic (Portland) expiring
    [No longer happy with Woods. And they can really clear cap space for the summer or sign Nurk]
     
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    Dude, if we're taking Harris's contract they're not getting shit from us in the way of picks and even though he doesn't make sense for their team I think they would want Nurk and his expiring contract more than Nance... plus we need the extra money that Nurk's contract would bring to even make the trade work (although you could just throw CJE in with CJ, RoCo and Larry if that's what was needed).

    I'm not against the Harris/Simmons trade... I actually think they play really well together and if the focal point of their offense was a generous PG like Dame instead of stingy/thirsty C like Embiid, they'd play even better together. Yes Harris would be making a ton of money as our third best player but he's a helluva bucket getter and a much better defender for his position than any of the guards we would currently be playing if healthy (DSJ is probably on his level).

    If we kept Larry the flexibility we would have would be great. You could play Dame, Norm, Nas, Harris and Simmons to start or Dame, Norm, Simmons, Harris and Larry. That's why I want Simmons so badly because his defensive versatility gives you so many options and I think his offensive game is already amazing and even this late in his career he could find his stroke. The reason why I think that is because the guy is so coordinated, has amazing pass accuracy, is such a pure athlete and the biggest reason is that I've seen the videos of him burying threes in the gym and he's never consistently tried to in games. I just think we really need to do whatever we have to in order to pair Dame with Simmons.

    It would be amazing to get Collins and Simmons somehow. I would be willing to give up any combination of guys not named Dame and up to three future first rounders to land those two. A big three of Dame, Simmons and Collins would win a championship. I don't really see how we have the assets to do that though but if it could be done that would be cool.
     
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    [Although 4-team trades are rare, I revised my scenario. Check it out]
     
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    Jalen Smith has the potential to be a star. I’d take a gamble on that for a RoCo type deal. Damn would be a great young core.
     
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    You have Woods going to Portland and Philly?
     
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    There's a small problem and a couple big problems. The small problem is that you need to remove Woods (Houston) from under PHILLY receives because he can't go to both teams.

    The bigger problem is that we don't have access to our picks because of the conditional nature of the pick we owe Chicago. If you felt confident that Simons could hold down the fort with that team until Dame got back and that we'd definitely make the playoffs I'm pretty sure you could get the Bulls to let us take the protection off but that would be a huge gamble for us because that pick could end up being the first pick if we miss the playoffs and won the draft lottery. The other big problem is that the Hawks are taking on too much salary; so they would have to send over another 7.1M in salary to the Sixers to make this whole thing work under the CBA.

    Also I just don't think that Houston is going to give up Wood and two first rounders for Nurk... they might not even give up Wood for Nurk straight up even though he's been a headache for them. Maybe they would take Nurk straight up for Wood or maybe they wouldn't but no way they throw in two first rounders IMO.
     
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    I’d rather try to get our pick back or something along those lines for Covington. Jalen is unrestricted in 2022. With the trade(s) bound to happen by the deadline, there will be enough money to get a guy like him.

    He wasn’t even on my radar until today, but he should be a priority in FA. Johnson is the perfect 5 to pair with Ben if that is the ultimate goal.
     
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    The weirdest part about Jalen Smith is we'd have a better chance of signing him if we didn't trade for him.
     
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    Do you like Jalen Smith? Would love to hear ya’ll thoughts on him on tomorrow’s livestream. But I don’t think I ever see myself calling in to ask about him myself lol.

    I honestly think we should gamble on what he can be and offer him a 3 year deal in FA. Don’t think he’ll be expensive, and he doesn’t have to be your starting C right away. Reserving my right to change my opinion on him though, I’ll admit I haven’t watched that much of his game.
     
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    If we go the "young" route around Dame, I think he'd be a nice addition in free agency. Can rebound, play defense, will probably be a decent shooter eventually. I wouldn't trade for him because of the limitations to re-signing him though.
     
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    i feel dirty for doing this and will be the only time i put Dame in a deal idea. I would ask for Tatum instead of Brown, but this could suffice.

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    Ant/Powell/Brown/Simmons/Nurk

    with Nas off the bench.

    ok, i have to go shower now. Sorry, Dame.
     
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    I get that trading Dame would make you feel like you took a nap in raw sewage, but if that is what came back, that's not bad at all.
     
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    My trade that won't happen, though Fischer describes Portland and Indy as "natural trade partners". Maybe draft picks traded, maybe Craig instead of LaVert.
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    Covington’s shooting has now stabilized back to his career averages. Same with his defensive splits. A guy like him would be valuable to any playoff team. And even if we “tank” this season, we’re gonna be looking to win next year. So I’m definitely NOT trading him for tax purposes unless we’re getting other assets in return. The priority should be to re-sign him. I don’t think his next contract is gonna differ much from his current one from an AAV point of view. So unless his agent tells the blazers he’s not re-signing, we should probably keep him. And his agent telling the team that can offer him the most money they’re not interested would be pretty foolish.

    Btw Fischer suggested today that the blazers “still have designs to reach the postseason.” So unless Dame gets shut down for the season, I don’t think we’ll be dumping players we don’t already have replacements for. Debatable whether that’s the case with Roco. I view Nas as more of a 3 than a 4 and also more likely to guard guards than centers. Nance is our only other PF/C unless you wanna count Watford, but neither spaces the court like Roco does.

    I feel like I’ve said this a million times, but the main objective should be to trade Norm and/or CJ. But even those moves can wait until the offseason, although that would impact the developmental minutes of Ant and Nas this season.
     
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    Lol Morey is obsessed with “winning” trades. Feels like him not wanting CJ is purely because we said no to Dame. If CJ played for any other team this would be done already. He’s the perfect fit for what they need and no one is offering anyone better at his position.

     
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    If Fischer is right and we try to sneak into the playoffs and are successful -blow the entire team up in the offseason.
     
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    1 A mediocre pick.. I don't place much value on the Clippers pick - similar to Larry Nance/Roco picks just not worth much
    2 Saving tax/ full MLE - the team can move around vet minimums to get under the tax and the full MLE gets us DJJ players, not much value
    3 TPE - these have so little value they are worth less than a second round pick
    4 Just let Roco/Nurk walk and sign him now, no flexibility needed
    5. Similar deal with Roco to NY.... if you think Powell with 4.5 guarateed years on a great deal is worth 1 medicore pick would Roco on 0.5 years be worth even a crappy second rounder?

    I'm following your train of thought fine to the point you expressed it in words. I just totally disagree with your idea that trading Powell for a weak Clippers pick is a smart decision; in fact I think its exceedingly stupid.
     

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