Politics City officials need incentive to address homelessness

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  1. Hoopguru

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    Relocate the homeless to politicians gated communities. Problem solved. Incentive.
     
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    A War on Homelessness

     
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    Convert Expo center to expanded homeless shelter
     
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    Was in Riverside, Ca recently and if you think the camps in Portland are bad - it’s way worse in LA.

    I’m just glad I wasn’t robbed :blush:
     
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    Wait aRe you saying you think most homeless are potential criminals?
    But the answer is to house and pay for them to enable them to do more of the same?
     
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    Most people in general are potential criminals. Homeless camps and general disarray and desperation invite criminals.

    Housing people and removing the desperation removes much of the opportunity for criminal activity.

    It's also far less expensive than allowing them to remain homeless.

    Very simple concept.
     
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    Your opinion. Far from simple or it would be solved. Fact.

    part of the reality of the situation is there are many criminals with roofs over their head as well. This opinion that a roof over ones head will change their behavior is laughable at best.
     
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    It's not opinion. It has been solved in many places. As I've proven many times.

    Fact.
     
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    solved in small sample situations different than our own. One answer does not fit all situations. Fact.

    When your ideas, currently being implemented or initiated at least, shows it works in the situation Portland and most of the West coast cities work and you show those cities have removed the homeless and lowered crime,

    its all just an opinion. “Its so simple” is not Fact, or again, it would have been solved already. Everyone would see it as so simple and solve and erase the problem.
     
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    You are assuming that everyone wants the problem solved, or is willing to accept any policy that solves the problem. It's not true.

    For instance, some people will object to any solution that involves the giving of 'free stuff'.

    barfo
     
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    and then some others are for some free stuff, but not other Free stuff. But some people feel that it should all be free and everyone should agree period.
     
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    It has worked in smaller populations (as in Salt Lake City) and larger populations (as in Finland).

    The only thing that has ever gotten in the way of housing first working is cutting funding for housing first.

    That's it. It has worked every time it has ever been tried in every situation.

    But some people would rather have homeless people living all over our public spaces in piles of garbage, at a higher cost, rather than saving money by providing secure housing for those people instead.
     
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    I see it this way.

    Tax the rich at rates they were taxed back before all of the tax breaks that they received from our government. The money every state in America would gain in tax revenue would pay for everything that needs to be done, and then some.

    We need to tax the rich at a rate that... ends the ability to become a billionaire on this planet. Their control over our government, and other governments as well, is the cause of the wealth inequality across this planet.

    But that may be too simplistic. (I see things by the K.I.S.S. rule lately though. It makes everything easier.)
     
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    I think you're right, but there is also a concern about government spending the money other places than solving those problems.

    This is where setting government standards high enough to solve these problems, then figuring out how to pay for it later comes in...

    I'm not sure which is better, but I'm not convinced that our government would just start solving important problems because they received more money.

    There is no question in my mind that we have enough money to solve these problems...
     
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    i think you are completely minimizing the long term bad habits being enabled and thus potentially passing this onto offspring, further complicating the problem as more an ore continue to believe others will pay for their choices in life.
    Nothing has shown it has worked long term, (ending the pattern of irresponsibility thats at a level to undermine a productive life into a homeless addict) because it hasn't gone on ling enough to show signs of fixing the foundational issues.
    Tossing a rug over the dirt doesn't make it go away.
     
  18. Chris Craig

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    Just throw them all in jail and clean up the trash. That's what you guys want.
     
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    Noooo i want a compromise.
    There are many other avenues than the only one projected here.
    Why cant it be a, go to jail and either attend drug rehab/councelling or enter into a work program? There are other avenues to rehabilitate and move someone’s path into a productive one for themselves and society.
    Its just thst some of us believe its better to teach a man to fish so they can feed themselves than to just continue catching fish and giving it away to those who cant.

    And frankly im tired of the “uncaring,disgusting” views peope have of this.

    Many people think its more disgusting and careless and selfish to just keep enabling self destructive behavior. Many people think its more humane to educate those in need so one can fend for themselves, than to just give handouts of monetary value without any information or knowledge improvement.


    Or one can take the same easy road for the opposite argument.

    and some want to give them a roof over thier head as a reward for trashing the streets. Enabling them to continue trashing the streets and passing that beHavior on as acceptable to their children and those they are around.
     
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    Like I said...
     
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