FIRE CRONIN

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Fez Hammersticks, Feb 4, 2022.

  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I'm not buying into the "Olshey left the cupboard bare" like. What he acquired was a bunch of talented players who didn't fit well together. It was like a conglomerate. A corporate raider would come in and extract value by breaking up the corporation into individual companies. The sum of the individual parts were greater than the whole. We failed to get value for a bunch of our pieces. That's on Cronin and the front office, not on Olshey. His only blame is for garnering the pieces in the first place. So much just never fit on this team.
     
  2. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    He was President of Basketball Operations, which is a fancy name for a GM.
     
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    Looks like 'Cap Room' is going to have to score quite a bit, defend, rebound, and create quite a bit this summer.
     
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  4. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Actually, I don't really care. This discussion is stupid, so I concede your initial point.
     
  5. andalusian

    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    Again, never president, just VP and per basketball reference never in charge of player personnel decisions:

    Only the executives in charge of player personnel decisions (usually the general manager) are listed.

    1 Stu Jackson 1994 2000-05-09
    2 Billy Knight 2000-05-10 2002-04-19
    3 Dick Versace 2002-04-19 2002-04-30
    4 Jerry West 2002-04-30 2007-06-18
    5 Chris Wallace 2007-06-19 2012-11-03
    6 Jason Levien 2012-11-04 2014-05-19
    7 Chris Wallace 2014-05-19 2019-04-11
    8 Zachary Kleiman 2019-04-11 present
     
  6. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm sure everybody in here would be fantastic GMs, but I also think Hollinger probably has more inside knowledge on player values than most in here. And he isn't the only person who has reported that... I think the deal was made when it was to maximize the potential of other deals.
     
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  7. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    After this tryout at the deadline, I don't see any way where he gets the job full time.

    Then again, our ownership exemplifies incompetence, so who knows.
     
  8. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    Failed audition.

    This team needs an experienced GM.
     
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    was difficult to watch several teams land 1st round picks for lesser players than Powell and RoCo
     
  10. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    He learned under Olshey

    Made trades that John Nash would’ve made

    Joe Cronin and Bert will keep Portland a doormat team.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    We're just not accustomed to the Blazers being run like a business rather than a passion. Wins and losses don't matter. Fan reaction doesn't matter. The Blazers will make money. That's what's important to Jody.
     
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  12. BoomChakaLaka

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    So that’s it for the deadline?

    ouch

    He did some dirty work but didn’t have the charisma to get a sweet deal done!
     
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    Sorry Roco SUCKED and is a expiring this yr and NO gave up 2 firsts for him
    If Nance is starter quality, there is a problem and he always hurt add having surgery tomorrow - NO gave up a first for him
    Most all here said CJ needed to go and given his bloated salary I think we got very decent value back
    Now Powell you can argue but that was a long term contract - I'll give we may have lost that one but its not horribly lopsided
     
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    Have we been watching the same ISO ball centric close your eyes team on a treadmill to nowhere the past few years? This team was the essence of going nowhere and not fun at al to watch anymore, if you can't see the need for a major house cleaning, I don't know what else to say
     
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    Exactly. Norm might have got a better deal or he might not have. There was no reason to trade him last week without a meaningful asset coming back in return. We gave up the opportunity cost of a better deal today or in the future, and for virtually no benefit.
     
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    Well then that was a fail as well, since nothing was done with any component of that trade.
     
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    Maybe he just didn't fit well with Chauncy's style of play, it appears one of Joes goals was to get Chauncy players that will play his style. I tink he did that and obviously there is a lot more to do, a star was made IMO and it appears we will give Chauncy his chance
     
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    It wasn't a failure if it didn't cost us anything. And I'm not sure it cost us anything...
     
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    So the first deal was just about as horrible as it could have been, especially when we saw guys with worse production getting far more draft capitol and clearing salary in one for one deals. I mean, it's the worst trade I've ever seen us make. Two guys who can start on most teams in the league and could easily be the 4th or 5th best guy on a championship roster for Johnson and a 2025 second rounder. It's disgusting. I'd give it an F

    The CJ/Nance trade is a little more complicated. CJ didn't have the best contract but is a helluva offensive talent. Nance had to have a minor knee surgery and will be back reportedly in 6 weeks, so for the playoffs. Then he has another year on his contract at a very team friendly 9.7M... that has to have some value. So Hart, a first rounder that we need to get lucky to collect this off season... that's not really a good return on a guy like CJ who is a star player in this league just a tier below an all star and Nance who is a really solid role player for any squad. If you spin this one with the whole clearing cap space was our first priority then I would say it was just a minor loss. For sure the Pelicans got over on us but it wasn't too bad. I'd give it a C-/D+
     
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    It cost us a helluva lot of talent. I don't think there's a greater currency in this business.
     

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