OT Unregulated capitalism killing the American Dream

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    How so?

    https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/re... data from,also called group health insurance).

    That's over half of the insured population, and 64 million are on Medicare, with another 30 million uninsured.

    Not much choice for most Americans...
     
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    Road Ratt King of my own little world

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    I’ve got multiple options to choose through work so it’s obviously false. There was no “most Americans” qualifier in the statement.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    And you only have those options because your employer offers them. So it's not your choice, it's your employer's choice. They can take it away tomorrow if they want.

    That's not freedom.
     
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    Oh geez. The statement is false. Simple as that.
     
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    Your employer is choosing what options you have. Not you. Most people's employers don't give them an option. Mine doesn't.

    The statement is not false just because you say it is. You don't get to pick any doctor you want. You get to pick the ones your employer and your insurance allow you to pick.

    Exactly what the statement said.
     
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    I get to choose my healthcare provider. The statement is false right there.
     
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    Until you don't. That's not a right that you have. It's a benifit your work allows.

    That makes the statement true. Your work can take it away any time. If you switch jobs you lose it.

    That makes the statement true.
     
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    do you get to choose ANY provider or from a small list?
     
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    I have choices. I could go with Kaiser, or I could go with a particular prover, or I can go with the preferred provider option. I use the preferred provider. Now it is correct that the provider you choose must be part of the plan, but I’ve never had to change providers other than when they retire. I have plenty of choices.
     
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    So you have certain companies that your employer chooses, which covers certain providers that the insurance company chooses... Which means you have less choice than most people in most first world countries in the world.

    And we pay more than any other country for that lack of choices.

    So what exactly is your point of contention?
     
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    My point of contention is that I do in fact have choices. But you know that.
     
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    Who said you didn't have any choices?
     
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    Please see the first post I responded to in this thread.
     
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    Do you think there is any correlation between the fact that the US has the best doctors in the world and our lack of universal healthcare?
     
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    Great doctors come from great universities. I don't see universal healthcare changing that.
     
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    I did. It didn't say you had no choice. It said your employer chooses your insurance, which you confirmed, and your insurance chooses your provider. Which, again, you confirmed.

    You being allowed to pick which restrictions you'll be subjected to is the choice you've held up as the gold standard.

    Which is less choice than pretty much every first world country in the world.

    But at no point was the post you're referring to untrue, as you claimed.
     
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    False. I am offered options for choosing my insurance and provider.
     

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