OT Killing Babies (Bill 669)

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by ABM, Mar 29, 2022.

  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,530
    Likes Received:
    16,555
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, democrats have to seperate themselves somehow.

    Democrats and Republicans are the same in that neither really cares about the platform.

    They are the same in that they care about their position in and support from their respective party over all else.
     
    HailBlazers and ABM like this.
  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,826
    Likes Received:
    122,814
    Trophy Points:
    115
    Murder charge is DROPPED against Texas woman, 26, three days after she was arrested for performing 'self-inducted abortion'
    • Lizelle Herrera, 26, was cleared of all charges Sunday by the local district attorney in Starr County, Texas
    • She was originally arrested Thursday after allegedly terminating her pregnancy
    • Police said she 'intentionally and knowingly caused the death of an individual by self-induced abortion'
    • It is unclear how far along Herrera was in her pregnancy
    • A recently passed Texas law bans all abortions after the first detection of an embryonic 'heartbeat'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...arrest-performing-self-inducted-abortion.html
     
    calvin natt likes this.
  3. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    26,638
    Likes Received:
    16,951
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Elec. & Computer Engineer OSU Computer Science PSU
    Location:
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Say what? I gotta know the whole story.
     
  4. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    26,638
    Likes Received:
    16,951
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Elec. & Computer Engineer OSU Computer Science PSU
    Location:
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Who is Somdnews?
     
  5. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN

    https://aclj.org/pro-life/official-...lead-to-unintended-and-undesirable-conclusion

    Hard to say.

    Official Analysis by Pro-Abortion-Majority Committee Staff on California Abortion Bill Confirms What We've Been Saying – "'Perinatal Death' Language Could Lead to Unintended and Undesirable Conclusion"
     
  6. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    44,409
    Likes Received:
    32,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Vagabond
    Location:
    Water Valley, Alberta Ca
    I think it's related to Dee's nuts.
     
    Phatguysrule likes this.
  7. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,826
    Likes Received:
    122,814
    Trophy Points:
    115
    Phatguysrule likes this.
  8. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    They'd better get the Bill(s) worded correctly.
     
  9. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,826
    Likes Received:
    122,814
    Trophy Points:
    115
    And you've read the actual bill or just one person's opinion on it that they're using to ask for money?
     
  10. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    I downloaded and read the pertinant parts from the quoted hearing. All accuratley quoted.
     
  11. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,826
    Likes Received:
    122,814
    Trophy Points:
    115
    So you saw the part that says "perinatal death due to a pregnancy-related cause."

    That invalidates what you and the article you posted are claiming.
     
    RR7 likes this.
  12. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    I said they'd better get the Bill(s) worded correctly.

    That's exactly what being discussed.

    “Perinatal Death” - Second, the “perinatal death” language could lead to an unintended and undesirable conclusion. As currently in print, it may not be sufficiently clear that “perinatal death” is intended to be the consequence of a pregnancy complication. Thus, the bill could be interpreted to immunize a pregnant person from all criminal penalties for all pregnancy outcomes, including the death of a newborn for any reason during the “perinatal” period after birth, including a cause of death which is not attributable to pregnancy complications, which clearly is not the author’s intent.

    While the bill does not define “perinatal,” the term is generally used to describe the period from approximately past 22 (or 28) completed weeks of pregnancy up to 7 completed days of life. (L.S.Bakketeig, P.Bergsjø, “Perinatal Epidemiology.” International Encyclopedia of Public Health (2008), p. 45.) Welfare & Institutions Code Section 13134.5(b) defines perinatal as "the period from the establishment of pregnancy to one month following delivery."

    In order to clarify that the bill’s immunity provision is only intended to apply to a perinatal death after a live birth when the cause of death is directly attributable to pregnancy, the author proposes the following clarifying amendment on Page 7, at line 10: insert “due to a pregnancy related cause” at the end of the sentence. Reflecting both of the above-proposed amendments, the entire subdivision would read as follows:
     
  13. SlyPokerCat

    SlyPokerCat cats rool dogs drool

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2017
    Messages:
    4,646
    Likes Received:
    6,217
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I know I like to get all my news from a website that has a page for articles calling out the radical left. You don't?
     
    RR7 and SlyPokerDog like this.
  14. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Well, somebody's gotta report it.

    What, you have issues with quotes/links from court hearings?
     
  15. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,826
    Likes Received:
    122,814
    Trophy Points:
    115
    including the death of a newborn for any reason during the “perinatal” period after birth, including a cause of death which is not attributable to pregnancy complications

    That statement is wrong.

    The bill says this: perinatal death due to a pregnancy-related cause
     
    oldmangrouch likes this.
  16. SlyPokerCat

    SlyPokerCat cats rool dogs drool

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2017
    Messages:
    4,646
    Likes Received:
    6,217
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you wanna live in an echo chamber have at it. Places reporting on "Democrat meltdowns" based on biased interpretations and opinions seems like a great source to hang your hat on.
     
    oldmangrouch likes this.
  17. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    The Hearing was on April 5th. Perhaps the Bill's language has since been updated. Again, this was from the Hearing:

    In order to clarify that the bill’s immunity provision is only intended to apply to a perinatal death after a live birth when the cause of death is directly attributable to pregnancy, the author proposes the following clarifying amendment on Page 7, at line 10: insert “due to a pregnancy related cause” at the end of the sentence. Reflecting both of the above-proposed amendments, the entire subdivision would read as follows:

    123467. (a) Notwithstanding any other law, a person shall not be subject to civil or criminal liability or penalty, or otherwise deprived of their rights under this article, based on their actions or omissions with respect to their pregnancy or actual, potential, or alleged pregnancy outcome, including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death due to a pregnancy-related cause.
     
  18. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,826
    Likes Received:
    122,814
    Trophy Points:
    115
    Yes, and the bullshit article you posted was from today and it intentionally omitted the updated and most recent revision of the bill in an attempt to solicit donations.
     
    RR7 and oldmangrouch like this.
  19. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Apparently, Catholics aren't especially enamored with the verbiage.

    https://cacatholic.org/article/ab-2223-fails-clarify-question-infanticide-protections
     
  20. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,826
    Likes Received:
    122,814
    Trophy Points:
    115
    From the article you just posted:

    the bill that seeks to decriminalize infant deaths from pregnancy-related causes

    So infant deaths from pregnancy-related causes should be criminalized?!?

    What, in your opinion, should be the criminal penalty for a miscarriage?

    What, in your opinion, should be the criminal penalty for a genetic defect that results in the infant dying after they are born?
     

Share This Page