Simmons Bonanza

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  1. blazerfan11

    blazerfan11 Well-Known Member

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    There were other teams that wanted Simmons so Brooklyn was dumb if they didn't see what other player or players they could have gotten in a multi team trade.
     
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    This is is some psychosomatic bullshit.

    https://theathletic.com/3273384/2022/04/26/ben-simmons-next-whats-next/

    According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being..

    Simmons had been described as pain-free for the majority of the past month but began to cite soreness in his back on Friday, and a scheduled scrimmage was pushed back, multiple sources said. Simmons conducted two full-court scrimmages last week on Monday and Wednesday, in which there was low intensity displayed, those sources said. Throughout Simmons’ rehab, both Durant and Irving, for their part, publicly downplayed their expectations for a Simmons return and said the goal is to get him healthy.

    Simmons had another workout on Saturday, after which Nash said Simmons had no issues. On Sunday, Simmons informed the team his back was sore. For Nets players, the confusion was not centered around Simmons’ ailment, but with the perceived lack of attempt to play, effort to be in uniform and push his body in these high-stakes playoffs, sources said. Nets players and coaches wanted to see Simmons show resolve and enter this series to start his on-court Brooklyn tenure, even if it was for limited minutes on Monday or none at all while still dressing for the game.

     
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    Must be nice, sitting on fat stacks of cash for doing absolutely nothing. What a baby.
     
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    Brooklyn would give him up in a heartbeat if they could get Jerami Grant back. I'm not sure Portland would be interested, but if they were, they could give minimal assets to Detroit to get out from Grant, he can be sent to Brooklyn and Simmons could take Portland. It's a big risk considering the massive amounts of money owed to the guy for the next 3 seasons. It's a thought though.
     
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    Wade Garrett Exactly right.

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    I doubt Boston would want to lose Marcus Smart.
    Tatum & Brown may get the headlines, but that is Marcus Smarts' team.
    Would love to see him in a Blazer uni, but no effing way the Celts part with him.
     
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    that is next level evasion for sure. My wife sure as hell wouldn't let me skate out of responsibilities like that....and I've tried next level evasion for decades

    at the same time, it's certainly becoming more and more credible that Simmons may have some real-world mental problems
     
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    It seems like Simmons is scared of expectations to perform. The only solution is for him, short of a complete mental 180, to play for a bad team that's perpetually out of the playoff hunt. (Admittedly, that's extremely difficult to accomplish now with the PIT format. We hardcore tanked and were still in contention until late.) The problem there is his contract. Those types of teams won't see nearly that much value in him.
     
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    I wonder if any of his recent behavior is trying to provide evidence his mental health issues are real; so he can get that $20 million settlement from the 6ers?
     
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    "According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being.."

    Hmm if I am a Nets fans I would be wondering why they traded away Harden mid-season for a guy who did not want to play this season.
    I would also question Simmon's agent for not being upfront with the Nets. Did he not know or was he not asked?

    Edit: Looking at Harden's player option for next year at 47 million, maybe the Nets just wanted to get rid of him?
     
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    Thought he was an UFA but I see he signed
     
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    We trade 2025 Buck’s pick
     
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    I think most of the board would do that. Im not a Jerami Grant fan but for 2025 bucks pick he’s a great asset to target. Give him some run here and if it doesn't work you can still trade him.
     
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    We tried that with RoCo and Powell, and look at the value we got back... Trading someone after it doesn't work out just lets everyone know it's a buyer's market.

    Edit: Oh, and Nance.
     
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    You wouldn't trade the Bucks 2025 likely 20ish over all pick for Jerami Grant? WOW.

    Also comparing Grant to Roco, Powell etc. is silly. First, the buy price is MUCH lower than Rocco and close to par on Powell, but Grant was a guy who had All-Star potential and is young. Even though I'm FAR from a Grant fan boy, to trade a 20 something pick for him three years out seems like a no-brainer.

    CJ for Hart plus Grant looks wayyyyyy better than what we actually got and is actually a pretty fair trade. Note I would NEVER trade our pick this year for Grant, but a Bucks pick in Giannis's mega prime? Yeah, I can let that borderline 2nd rounder go.
     
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    Yes less value, but less value than a worse than second-rounder? (Late First-round picks are still guaranteed salary and cost more than 2nd round picks salary-wise for the negligible difference in talent).

    Sure it's not ideal, but you could still extract value, probably a 2nd or two if need be. Talent wise please don't tell me you have Grant with his size etc. as on par with Rocco or Norm right? Also we are talking about getting him for MUCH cheaper than what we paid for Rocco (two much higher first round picks). You're just pointing out the value drops a ton right not that it's a bad trade number 20++++ first-round pick for Grant right?
     
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    Lots of posters don't want to trade for Grant. He wants to be a focal point on offense, is a mediocre inefficient shooter, wants a new huge max contract, and his defense has declined. Roco was a higher level 3+D complimentary player at the time the Blazers traded for him, even though his production later in Portland didn't live up to that.
     
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    Seems like Harden/Morey/Simmons could have all pushed the Nets to make the trade. Harden could have said he would leave in the offseason if they didn't trade him, plus he was giving up on games during this season.

    Maybe Morey got Cronin to make the Clippers trade, and told the Nets the plan was to send Simmons to Portland in the summer then sign Harden. Aligns with the comments of the Blazers being so disappointed with the trade and that Simmons was an offseason target.
     
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    If that's really the angle you're going to take, it's not worth reading any further. You just wiggled yourself right into the corner.
     
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