Yet we (you) bend over backwards to make sure we don’t infringe on gun owners rights. But the right to life, liberty and and pursuit of happiness of those who are killed by these COMPLETELY unnecessary weapons is ignored.
I’ll take my chances with the fucktards who tote these things around not being able to make them. And those who do make them should not be difficult to track and eliminate from the gun making system. I’d rather roll the dice with that than teens going into a gun store and picking up one off layaway like it’s a fucking flat screen
It's not an either/or choice. And the people who would make them in the black market almost certainly make and sell high quality rifles now. And there will be about 30 states which aren't interested in enforcing this ban... and those are just the ones who do it illegally. Banning the AR15 would still allow the same teenager to walk into a store and buy a 30-06 to do even more damage. In fact, you can bet people would just start making stocks which make the 30-06 (or any other model) look like an AR15, and be as adaptable. Yet, far more deadly. How do we ban that? And that's probably why the military is switching to a new rifle based on a 30-06 sized round. It's a far more deadly round.
Make it a federal crime. Who cares what bumfuck Idaho or Alabama thinks. And if it’s already happening now, then what do we have to lose. We need to make as many barriers as possible to block the irresponsible, criminal, and mentally imbalanced. If you can navigate all these and do what’s required yayayaya you get to keep the gun. But you don’t get the AR type weapons. Totally unnecessary
I don't think you'll be ABLE to infringe on those rights. I'm discussing alternatives which could accomplish the same outcome because I'd actually like to see some action toward getting these killings reduced/stopped, rather than just getting upset about them every now and then and complaining about republicans and other people who don't agree with me.
You didn't address the 30-06... which is not an AR type weapon. But is at least as deadly, and very readily available. Why wouldn't deranged killers use that if the AR has been taken off the shelves? Or a .270? Or if those kick too hard, how about a .243? Make it a federal crime, like growing and selling marijuana? There are some really smelly stores around who don't seem too worried about the federal law...
I'm ex military. I have many friends still currently serving. I have heard nothing about this? Maybe you could share a link on this? NATO and the US military switched from the .30-06 because of size and weight as well as overall velocity and battlefield capability. Currently they use the 5.56 and 7.62 rounds and there are no plans to change? Maybe you have something i missed here?
Yep. SIG MCX - Wikipedia SIG MCX SPEAR — The rifle was further developed into the SIG MCX Spear, which was adopted in its .277 Fury chambering as the XM5 by the U.S. Army
Sig Spear .277 Caliber(s): 5.56 or 7.62 NATO Finish: High Temp Cerakote Core Material: Inconel Diameter: 1.67in. Overall Length: 5.24in./7.49in. Weight: 8.8oz -19.4oz. Attachment Type: Clutch-Lock QD™ or Direct Thread
Which is much different from a .30-06 It allows an aluminum barrel and weapon under 7 lbs. Anyway. Again this just waters down the real issue. Children were murdered in cold blood and that needs to stop.
And I'm discussing ways to make that stop... And, it's closer to 30-06 than a .223 or 5.56 is (these are the sizes AR-15 typically come chambered in)... 7.62 is almost exactly the same size as a 30-06 ( 7.63mm) So, when you ban the AR (which won't happen, but let's pretend it could) and people start using hunting rifles to kill 100 or so people per year (the same kids, in the same schools, that we've left unguarded with open doors, so they don't feel like they are in a prison)... what next? Another decades long fight to ban another caliber? Which won't matter because they'll just change the design of the gun to bypass that law as well?
The size of the bullet matters quite a lot, because a larger bullet traveling at a similar speed results in far greater damage. For example, if the difference was large enough, shooting a single round into a crowd could kill 3 or 4 people instead of just 1. Did you watch the watermelon test?
How many of these school killings have had a shooter break through locked doors? If the doors were locked and windows were polycarbonate the shooter would have been outside making a lot of noise when the police showed up. Assuming they didn't get "lost" on the way once they heard he was still outside... so if they decided to do there job the police would have been the only ones at risk. Yes, and people are much more likely to live happier and healthier lives if their problems are diagnosed and treated as children. I did not forget Las Vegas. A millionaire decided to buy a lot of guns and commit a horrible act. No law in the world could have prevented that rich asshole from doing that. He could have commissioned any guns he wanted. Right, how sensitive of me. You just said I ask stupid questions... Truly, very polite response to a very simple question. My apologies. Do I really need to go back and quote all of the posts about right wing talking points and politicians? That's what most of this thread is about... And that's fine, but don't pretend nobody in here is taking sides...
Then I don't need people implying that I don't care about kids dying either. As has been done multiple times, even though I've politely made proposals that would unquestionably save lives, and wouldn't encroach on the rights the opposition has historically sited. Thereby making them far more likely to be adopted. I can play the same game. Because this political stalemate is in fact costing lives. And the refusal to consider alternatives is in fact costing lives. These kids could have been protected without violating the current accepted meaning of the 2nd Amendment.
Again. Misquoting me just muddy's the waters. I said "The question is stupid". I have not and will not "Take Sides" This is a right or wrong issue to me. Not left or right. Get your facts right and i will back you 100% but as long as you continue to make this a very cloudy issue i simply can't continue to respond.
