it would have to be separate deals. grant for TPE. the others into the TPE for some sorta heavily protected second. i was only putting together the big picture.
Nurk I agree with you has many factors working against him. We will see what happens, I think its more likely Simons gets a near max deal than a small team friendly deal. Elite athleticism, extremely efficient shooting, offensive skills, and youth on restricted free agents have a history of getting paid huge contracts. Crabbe is a great example, at the time many Blazers fans were saying we would resign him for a big discount. Then he got a near max deal from the Nets and Olshey matched. Olshey gave huge contracts to other Blazer bidding against himself. Crabbe hadn't proven himself at as high of a level as Simons has. Although Crabbe may have had more potential with the always in need 3+D role. Simons has shown potential to lead a teams offense. Of course its limited sample size, if Simons had proven himself over a longer period he would be a lock for a max contract and one of the most valued young players. Does Cronin hold firm on negotiations with current players and not bidding against himself where Olshey failed? Would love to see it, but I have no reason to believe he will be any better than his prior 10 year boss on that.
Bledsoe's contract would have to be almost fully guaranteed to be included in a trade. It would only save Atlanta ~$5M. Collins' $23.5M - Bledsoes' $19.3M = $4.2M savings There's not enough financial savings there for it to be worth it for them.
i clearly said long term, mostly because they'll still be paying Capela and Young's supermax will kick in. And they're going to have to pay DeAndre Hunter. beldsoe is on the hook for 19 this year. Collins is on the hook for 5 yrs/ 102 still.
The TPE is only how a player is acquired. You cannot 'send out' a TPE. The rule is that you can't aggregate a TPE with a player or another TPE to receive a higher salary than what your TPE allows. In this scenario, the transaction would occur like this: Detroit send Grant -> into the TPE Portland sends MIL pick + Keon + 36 -> for Grant. It's a legal trade. No it doesn't. It would all be part of a single trade.
So they have a full year to look at the trade market and find a better deal. There's no way that Atlanta would trade Collins for strictly a salary dump right now.
LOL....do you have some algorithm that churns out the most negative response possible to any thought or idea any poster here has? Sure seems that way I get it...the Blazers are in the most hopeless situation possible. It's worse than hopless. It's total doom and gloom....there's no light at the end of the tunnel, and if there is a light it's really a runaway train filled with more doom and gloom heading Portland's direction. Blazers suck no team is going to offer Simons a max deal. Try and find a team that practically has 30.5M in cap-space. You won't. Try and find a GM stupid enough to give Simons 33M/year. Here's a hint: Billy King isn't a GM any more. If you take the time to look at the guard rosters of the teams with cap-space, the view is a lot different than that of 'why not?'. And that TV cap-spike you're talking about ain't happening till the 2025-26 season. something else: I know there is a irresistible Pavlovian impulse among you nega-fans to immediately say "that won't make Portland a contender" whenever somebody suggests a move. But that's a straw-man because nobody is suggesting that any single move, or any single draft, or any single off-season will be enough. It will take a process and a plan. You have to put the walls up first before putting on a roof. you think the current Portland situation is hopeless. I don't. But what would have been completely fucking hopeless is CJ-Powell-Nance still on the team with Olshey in charge and Portland having a 13th or 14th pick instead of the 7th pick...or fresh off being swept in the first round
Ha ha, "an algorithm of negativity". Look, I just put my opinion of the team out for all to see just as you put yours out there or you respond to my thoughts. If you look through my posts over many years I'm not constantly negative on the Blazers. I've been overly positive many times. Heck I bet on the team to exceed their over/under and even win the title in recent years. I've been down at other times when it was deservedly so, especially the Turner/Meyers 2016 offseason. Am I extremely negative with the deadline trades, primarily the Clippers trade? Yes. Am I negative of current ownership and the Vulcans? Yes. Am I negative on this "build a winner immediately with Dame" rhetoric from the team and fans? Yes. Am I negative on the assets of this roster after the deadline trades? Yes. I'm far from alone, many knowledgeable Blazer fans were very negative with the deadline trades and very pessimistic with the future of this team. Some have described it as a gut punch similar to when Roy/Oden were injured. Maybe most of these fans just quit visiting this site as much and leave it to the Blazer homers or Neil pitchfork crowd to spread their misplaced hope and optimism. Maybe I have some bizarre sickness in that I follow a team and root for them so passionately even when they are being run so horribly with a depressing short term future. No, it can be much worse than your feared hopelessness of a CJ-Powell-Nance-13th pick on the team. If we end up with Josh Hart, Didi, Jerami Grant and no pick I'd say we are clearly worse off immediately and long term. I sure hope I look like an idiot in a month and a half when the draft/free agency is done and the upcoming season roster plus long term pick assets are set.
How about GSW? Wiseman is making ~$10M/yr and as a result is costing the Warriors ~$25M/yr (with taxes). Would they go for the Bucks '25 pick for Wiseman? Then would Houston go for a Wiseman <-> Wood trade? Houston would have a YOUNG core with a lot of potential... I'd love a #7 + #57 for #9 + #20 trade. Swap #9 for OG & take Dieng with #20.
Hmm…could #7 and #36 get back #9, #20, and #25? I’m getting increasingly interested in trading down for the most assets. I want to gamble on upside, and if we are really forced to make “win now” moves, I still want enough picks to be able to make trades AND still gamble on upside in the draft. So now, we’d have #9, #20, #25, and the future MIL pick to work with. Could #9 + #25 + Bledsoe + Brown III get back OG + Achiuwa + #33? That would at least take care of two positions of need. I’m really not trying to play hard ball with DET. If MIL 1st + #57 + TPE for Grant doesn’t get it done, we may have to look elsewhere, but let’s assume that gets it done. I think you just have to go high upside at #20. I’m hoping Jovic still there at #20, but his combine measurement results might put him out of reach. I’m fine with any high upside forward here though. With the MLE, I like the idea of Jalen Johnson even more if we get Achiuwa. Don’t have high hopes for Achiuwa’s upside, but his energy and defense inside with Johnson’s shooting outside in the second unit would fit well. With guys like Hart, Achiuwa, Nas, I think we can be a good rebounding team. Dame/Simons/Keon Simons/Hart/Keon OG/Nas/Jovic/Winslow Grant/Achiuwa/Watford/Jovic/Winslow Nurkic/Johnson/#33/Achiuwa This would be another decent result after a disastrous trade deadline. I think I could learn to like this roster.
Supposedly both Anunoby and Achiuwa are on the list of 6 players they aren't interested in trading. Maybe they'd give up one, but I can't see them dealing both.
If that’s the case, I’d just keep #9 and #25. Right now, I’m Daniels > OG and would prefer straight up picking Daniels than trade out of that position for OG. I’d still be interested in Achiuwa for #25 and #57, but if the ultimate goal for the Raptors is to get high enough for Daniels, we might not be the trade partner. OG is the third best player in a trio of forwards. He’s a good starter right now, not a star. Let’s remember to think carefully about giving up picks for guys who haven’t made any all star teams yet this time. This is also a lotto pick…just, no. Sochan at #9, Jovic or Dieng at #20, and a big at #36. You’d still have #25 and the MIL 1st to combine with Bledsoe for another forward. Excluding that piece, this is the lineup: Dame/Simons/Keon Simons/Hart/Keon Grant/Nas/Jovic or Dieng/Winslow Sochan/Grant/Watford/Brown III Nurk/Johnson/#36/Brown III This still wouldn’t be terrible. Sochan and Grant soaking up all of the PF minutes would also give Nas a chance to play that 25 mpg at SF, let’s see if an extension is coming. Not sure what you could get for the MIL pick + #25 + #57 + Bledsoe.
fully expecting a trade. I would be shoked if the Blazers keep the pick and move on with a rookie. Dame is already at the wrong side of his prime
Yes similar to the Clippers trade; it'll be interesting to see if we do something dumb such as trade the #7 pick for Grant how many posters will flip and justify and support the move after it happens. We'll probably hear a bunch of blame on Neil Olshey, about how he constructed the roster in a way that forced Cronin to trade a lottery pick for a mediocre starter.
