I get it. Having something you believe fervently brought into question with data is frustrating. I think the reason it's frustrating is people have convinced themselves that it's this easy fix and they know the exact solution. Just get angry enough and it'll be fixed. But that's just not the case. I have actually applauded new information that has been brought to the table. Like the Hawaii info. That was a great find. Like the link you posted. Great stuff. And I said so. And I researched it. Like the ammunition limits which were brought up. I researched the manufacture of ammunition to see if it would be possible to regulate and track the materials (it's not easy, at all, especially if the state doesn't support the restriction). It's the rehashing ground we've already addressed and moved on from and backhanded insults that get a short response back from me. Blatant personal attacks I just won't stand for.
I think a hand gun has huge advantages in close quarters. It's far more mobile and simpler to quickly and accurately aim in an enclosed area. You can more easily carry more ammunition... It's far easier to disarm (or at least disable) an attacker with a long gun than a handgun. Once you have gotten within a few feet a long gun is more useful as a club.
Not when I served from 71-73....lot of military personnel are not armed at all unless they are issued a weapon for being in a combat action zone. As Lanny said....I only remember officers carrying handguns ..and only in the bush...
I think the gray areas is the definition of close quarters. To me that means a bathroom, closet, inside a car, etc. I do not consider a classroom close quarters. But that would certainly be my opinion.
Democratic Rep. Don Beyer suggests bill adding a 1,000% TAX on AR-15s that would NOT require Republican votes 'We think that a 1,000% fee on assault weapons is just the kind of restrictive measure that creates enough fiscal impact to qualify for reconciliation,' he said If Democrats were to pass a bill by reconciliation they would not need to court 10 Republican votes to break a filibuster with 60 votes in the split Senate Reconciliation can only be used for tax and funding bills They would still need to get key moderate Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., on board. Manchin has expressed an openness to banning AR-15-style weapons The AR-15 is America's most popular semi-automatic weapon-- they account for one in five guns in the U.S. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...er-suggests-bill-adding-1-000-TAX-AR-15s.html
Yeah, I was more thinking special forces, on a mission to enter a building. So they would gear up specifically for that situation. In which case most would want a sidearm in in case of close contact. I said all, but I guess that was probably an overreach...
It's tough to get as much as I have in this thread and not give it back. But yeah, you're right, of course.
This is tough... This is what I foresee happening... So you buy a kit which comes with everything except the lower. These things are not specific to an AR, and as such cannot be levied the tax. If you spend $750 you are elligable for a 1 time purchase of any item for $1. So you pay your $1 (plus $10 tax) for your lower (the only part that is serialized as a gun) and you have your complete AR for $761 plus shipping.
How about the hallway to get into that classroom? And I would suggest that it's still far easier to aim a handgun in a classroom than a long gun. A 30-50ft room is the ideal range for a hangun, IMO. *Edit* Obviously I'd be hunting terrorists and pedophiles in this situation.
I appreciate that Lanny. Of course, you engage in thoughtful conversation which makes it easy for me to want to engage with you in the same manor. I know I sometimes go too far in retaliation. Often times to my own detriment. I need to take a page out of your book (likely several pages).
Understood. We will have to agree to disagree. Ill take the AR15 over a handgun all day long in a classroom setting. Ive watched many many domestic shootings in closed quarters with neither hitting their targets after expending several rounds with handguns. The longer the barrel the better the accuracy. Pretty much indisputable. Or to put it another way, if i go target shooting from 30’, I wouldbet my life I'm more accurate with the AR vs a hand gun. I think alot of it has to do with training and experience as well. Regarding hallways? They are generally long (see the images i posted?) I, personally, believe a group of trained shooters in a classroom with AR15’s beats a group of trained shooters with handguns. But without evidence, its just my opinion based on videos I've seen.
For the record, my opinion is very much the same as yours. Too many guns to get rid of. Focus on family, health and education and most people will stop shooting other people without just cause. However, that is not an easy task. I would venture to say not much easier than removing all the guns.
Understood. I do completely agree that the training makes all the difference, regardless of which you select.
Agreed. It's not easy. There is no easy solution. But what I keep coming back to is there isn't a constitutional right between us and offering better services and opportunities to our population. We've done it in the past.
That's a lower bar than a constitutional convention. Congress can vote on whatever they want, it if the Supreme Court rules that it is against the 2nd ammendment it won't matter. It'll get thrown out. But if congress votes to fund healthcare and mental health there is nothing to stop it. If they vote to put a shrink in every school, no problem. It'll happen. There is no constitution to overcome.
