OT Why Never Trumpers Should Bet on DeSantis Now

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    That seems to be the corporate line these days. We shall see, though.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    My son would come to me before ever going to a teacher about something like that.

    But, if he brought something like that up to his teacher, I would sit down with his teacher to see what he talked with them about. And I would sit down with him and have the conversation.
     
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    Voodoo An American hero

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    You can suggest all you want, but what I find far more disturbing is that one segment of our population is spreading false information, actively and loudly proclaiming they are going to end democracy, and is colluding with adversaries such as Russia to benefit themselves and our adversaries at the expense of America, Americans, American interests, and American values. Ending democracy is bad for virtually all citizens of a country, and one party is literally writing pledges and running on platforms of ending democracy if the votes don't go their way. This isn't anything they are even being bashful about, I mean they are literally running on the platform of ending our democracy, it's crazy town.

    Although by judging your command of the English language I am doubtful you also have a firm grasp of American history, but America was literally formed as a result of a very similar setup. The original 13 colonies rebelled against England as they were being taxed by England but were not given any form of representation within the government. This is virtually the same setup Republicans want to impose on America, taxation without representation. To expect the majority of Americans to peacefully go along with this is a fools errand and will lead to extremely dangerous outcomes. Autocracies are bad for the economy, if you think things are bad now, just wait until we have a full blown autocracy in which the only way business is conducted is via cronyism and nepotism, and those that aren't happy with their pittance are thrown in jail. This is how it works in an autocracy, and it's very bad economically for virtually everyone in that country, just look at North Korea, Nazi Germany, The Soviet Union, Cuba, Communist China, etc. It's bad, very bad, and is the epitome of anti-American, these believes are anti-American, and supporting folks who support these policies is anti-American.
     
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    That's all I could ask, as well. In other words, parental involvement.
     
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    Both sides have gone off the rails in different ways, I actually agree with you in terms of the race baiting, the BLM crap, and the defund the police shit. It's bad governance and bad rhetoric, and ironically is bad for those that it purports to benefit because it has extreme backlash and has other unintended consequences that those that are still pushing for it don't seem to grasp or see. But these are policy disagreements, these are thing that I could have an honest discussion about and talk through and at least still have a choice in finding a representative that may reflect my beliefs more accurately. If democracy is ended, I do not get that choice, and neither do you. One party is running on that platform, and that is far more concerning than anything else such as some social issue.
     
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    Maybe Ronald Regain can articulate what I am trying to say in a way that may be more compelling to you than me.





     
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    My favorite part is when Ronald Reagan quotes Orson Welles by saying "freedom is defined by having the freedom to say no". I bet Brad Raffensperger, and many other decent and honest Republicans would agree with Ronnie and Welles on this definition.
     
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    Jesus teaches against that.
     
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    Absolutely. The BLM movement has had the opposite effect its supporters wanted: it has made race relations much worse. The violence and lawlessness that occurred in the summer of 2020 only reinforced negative stereotypes that have worked against black people for decades—and yet Democrats seemed to think all the mayhem was a good thing. Their lack of common sense in this area is another reason why I don’t trust then.
     
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    Absolutely.

    Conversely, here's an organization I've gotten behind. Proviiding solutions from the inside-out seems like a better approach to me.

    https://woodsoncenter.org/
     
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    And what do you base this on other than pure fantasy?
     
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    REAGAN.jpg
     
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    ......whick could also mean they're buying a bunch of stuff.
     
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    Yeah. Stocks and bonds.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Says the guy doing the exact same thing and yelling about it in every thread.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Nah. This is not a friendly person.
     
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    I didn't say I agree with Raegan on everything, inflation is not that easy and canned quotes and talking points around a subject as complex as inflation is not the answer. If Raegan actually believed this he wouldn't have at the time been running record deficits and running up the national debt like he had. Stagflation was not conquered by Raegan, it was vanquished by the Federal Reserve through a long process of cooling the economy and taking the extremely unpopular position of raising interest rates to 19% that made borrowing money extraordinarily expensive.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/1970-stagflation.asp

    There is something to be said about government over spending and its relation to inflation, but in reality it has little to nothing to do with it. In fact if anything, higher taxes reduce inflation as it reduces the amount of available cash circulating within the economy, the lower taxes are the more purchasing power people have and the higher the prices of goods are. Rising taxes on rich folks would help solve some of the inflationary pressures we have right now, just as increasing interest rates do. It would help reduce our budget deficit, while simultaneously help solve our inflationary crisis we're in. It makes too much sense to do it though, so it would never happen, especially not with the current Republican orthodoxy around taxes.
     
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    If Raegan really believed Government spending was a contributing factor for inflation, he sure went about controlling it in a way that didn't align with his rhetoric. He still holds the crown for the President that had the largest percent change in debt since WW2 at an astounding 186%. Look at the table, but to put it in perspective Obama was almost 70%, Trump 34%, and Dubya at 105%.

    https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/
     
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