I'm still on board with the idea of trying to get Randle/11 for Bledsoe/7. But if that can't happen, then yeah, the trade back to 13/15 makes a lot of sense.
So the trade machines don't have Grant on the team yet... what's our cap situation right now? Could we trade 7 for 9/20/25 from the Spurs and then trade Bledsoe and 20/25 for Gordon Hayward/13/15. Spurs get to move up and draft who they want. We take Sochan at 9. Hornets get to shed Hayward and they get the 20th and 25th. We get 13 and 15. I'd try to either use those picks to move up and get Duren or take Eason and Terry with 13 and 15. Maybe Johnny Davis. There's a lot of intriguing guys that could be available in that range. Ideally I'd like to get Sochan and Duren though. Dame/Ant Hart/Ant Hayward/Little Grant/Sochan Nurk/Duren
Agreed, you only trade back for Randle and 11 if you have Duren or Williams there, you're ready to start the one you take and either let Nurk walk or S&T him.
Let's say Murray drops to us. I would say Grant, Murray and Nurk are a little clunky. So you go to the Spurs and you sell them on 9 and 20 for Murray. Sochan at 9 and Terry at 20. That's a helluva trade back... at least I think so.
I would like Dort if he could become more of a PG. Could Chauncey turn him into Marcus Smart? If the FO thought he could, I wouldn’t mind getting Dort if the likelihood of getting Sochan is high. I just don’t know if he’ll ever be a legit backup PG though. I would hope we trading down this year means they send us a pick that will get us into the draft next year. Dort + #12 + 2023 1st for #7, I would do.
Murray is a good/very good 3-point shooter. He's not clunky with anyone. He can stand in the corner if that's what you want.
There's just a problem on defense not offense. Grant isn't the quickest PF on the perimeter but he's pretty great... you want him to play SF. One of the questions about Murray is if he'll be quick enough to play on the perimeter on defense like PFs are required to do in today's NBA... he should be able to but he's probably going to need some help. Nurk is not a very mobile big. So I see that as pretty clunky. Not completely dysfunctional just pretty damn clunky and I'd rather have a starting lineup that runs pretty smoothly on both ends... it's why I no longer want John Collins unless we somehow obtained a much more athletic 5 and (I would say bring Nurk off the bench but we all know how that would go over) move Nurk to a different team hopefully getting something of value back in return for a S&T.
if murray falls to 7, we need to make the obvious pick, thank the dumbass teams picking ahead of us, disconnect the phones, and call it a night.
OK, I think that playing Grant, Murray and Nurk together a lot might hurt their ability to maximize their defensive talents which we're going to need to do because they'd also be playing a lot with Dame and Ant.
again... the grant trade should have ZERO effect on who we pick. That is and always will be BPA. Murray at 7 is incredible value. We are nowhere close to being a finished product to be quibbling over positions and fits. And in particular, I'm talking about the most valuable asset we have (the pick). If we're talking about veteran players to acquire in trades, fine-- figure out the fit. But if we're drafting someone, it's BPA no questions asked.
I actually would be willing to trade back a bit and take a first rounder next year. I don't know much about the players beyond the top 10 or so, and there are a few dudes I hope are there at 7 for us, but if we were to trade down it's something I could live with.