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  1. Freshtown

    Freshtown Well-Known Member

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    Yes
     
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    ya way off. green is not that good.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Didn't say he was. I'm saying that Grant is also not that good.

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    I see that Green's 3P% dropped off a cliff last year. Wonder if that's a fluke.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Those WS and VORP differences are pretty substantial. Not a similar caliber player.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I feel like some of these stats you just posted tell the story..

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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    The WS difference is based on minutes played; Green's WS/48 is better. The BPM/VORP difference is the only one that is significant. Honestly, their massive divergence from the comparability in the other advanced stats makes me doubt their reliability.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I hadn't even posted their shooting figures

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    Really looks crappy for Grant in this comparison. But hey, at least he gets free throws...
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Did you use his career numbers and not last season?
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    As I mentioned above: "I see that Green's 3P% dropped off a cliff last year. Wonder if that's a fluke." He'd been very consistently a good three point shooter for years, and then suddenly he's down at 26%? Something had to be wrong physically.
     
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    Ok, so I went back to the season where Grant started for OKC, which is the role that I think he will have here. He's not putting up 20 shots per game on the Blazers. He's not even the second option on offense.

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    Per 100 possessions, that version of Grant and Green are very similar, except Grant was a much much better three point shooter last season for some reason.
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    So I guess the question will be, can Billups get Grant to accept this kind of role on the Blazers? I could see him having a similar usage and shots per game as he did in his last year in OKC.
     
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    I think it's important to point out that Green is 4 years older than Grant. That can play a part.
     
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    they are saying the Suns drop from 64 wins to 52. You think that's overrating?
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    I think the drop off is understandable and that 52 wins is fair, but they could end up below that.

    The west is going to be deeper this year than it has been in the last 15 years
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Green and Grant are not remotely the same type of player. Forget the fact you're using career numbers to compare their current play, but the context of how they get their stats is completely different. Grant does more, as the focus of an opposing team's defense. Green gets all his buckets assisted and can't create for himself at all.
     
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    Didn't say they were the same type of player. Just said one might be about as good as the other.
     
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    Correct. For Detroit, Grant played with probably the worst set of guards in the league with few other legit offensive threats. He should benefit from much cleaner looks in PDX

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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    You "might" be wrong about that. You took raw stats and interpreted them completely out of context.
     
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    At least we’re not the Kings?

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  20. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    That's quite the stat.
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jul 20, 2022
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