OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues"

It is a wedge issue. Absolutely.

I am trying to propose solutions to remove the wedge without targeting anybody. Which is why it will likely not be not be a popular solution.

Neither side can use the proposal to get their base in a frenzy.

 

It doesn't matter what their intent is, IMO. I have no problem with anybody being whatever they want. And I have no problem with anybody competing in sports.

My only problem is with allowing people to make a personal decision to drop into divisions that they don't otherwise qualify to compete in. Regardless of their individual situation or reasoning.

 

Agreed. So if we have federal guidance on the procedure and get all student athletes categorized in their proper division with a medical report to back it up (from a physical exam that all students already have to get), it should eliminate many people from being targeted using those .002% as an excuse.

Everybody will be in their legitimate division or playing up. And everyone will have documentation to prove it (and it will be on record with the league, so no investigation would be needed). Everyone will have gone through the same process, and know that it's legit.

 

First of all, this idea is garbage. The second it's put into place, parents will demand testosterone level testing like the Olympic Committee does... I mean, it's only fair, right? This whole "testosterone makes trans girls better at sports than cis girls" naturally ends up here.

Maybe they get their T levels checked every summer? Every semester? A great tool to pressure cis girls out of any sort of gender non-conformity. It'll definitely be leveraged against girls of color way more, too. And of course no boys will be affected. Or worse, what if they are? That'll be fun to put boys in different divisions based on their testosterone levels. I'm sure no bullying will happen because of that. And *definitely* no bullying by girls against other girls for documented, obvious gender non-conformity.

Your plan is so bad, I'm embarrassed for you. I can't believe someone as smart as you thinks this will solve anything.

 

Thanks, I appreciate your concern for me.

However, I didn't say anything about T levels. I am concerned with the more athletic knees and hips that boys are born with. And why trans women who have had surgery and drugs are still faster than cis women.

There are simply disadvantages that cis women have that aren't addressed by surgery.

That's why I said allow leagues to make the determination via the bi-annual *scratch that, meant every other year* physical exam, which is already required for athletes middle school and up.

 

I can't believe you think embarrassing every girl twice a year in order to root out those devious trannies is a reasonable idea. I'm disgusted by you.

 

A bunch of men? A BUNCH OF MEN?!

This hurts so fucking much.

I tried Sly. I really goddamn fucking tried. Fuck you all. Enjoy yourselves; I'm done with you assholes.

 

I don't think that's fair to a lot of people but ....sorry to see you leave the place if that's what you intend to do. You just basically said fuck us all, that's me, crandc, eric, and a lot of people who support your choices. Not sure what triggered that reaction but we're definitely less diversified as a community without you ...hope you reconsider as you have friends here. This homophobic thread should have been locked long ago and you should start a thread about your community and transition journey etc....respect...pass it on!

 

That's a teachable post...I thought it was in reference to whoever said men and women should compete on skill levels, not gender identities earlier in this thread? I wouldn't assume a bunch of men meant transgendered people but actually meant a bunch of men....I guess I'm ignorant in this circumstance although so I apologize if I didn't interpret it correctly...I'd lock this homophobic thread and start a new thread for YamTastic to host and offer some insight into her journey and trials.

 

Sorry @YamTastic. I've been happy to have you back. Don't let this make you leave.

 

That's OK, and I hope you don't take this personally, but I'm not trying to impress you or earn any browny points.

I do understand that this can seem like a personal attack, but it is not intended that way in the least. I'm trying to have a serious policy discussion.

I'm not sure how a cat scan of the pelvis one time would be embarrassing for girls. No need to do it every year, since they keep that kind of thing on file nowadays... Just verify it at the physical.

My daughters all just confirmed they wouldn't be bothered by this in the least.

 

The proposal that Barfo made was to eliminate gender altogether and just put people in divisions based on ability.

That is what I was responding to, and explaining why it would be detrimental to women's sports. It would push many women who are currently playing sports at competitive levels out.

And I mistook the definition of bi-annual to mean every other year. Which it apparently does not. Updated the post.

 

Agreed.

 

That is correct.

 

Yeah, pretty clear what triggered Yam's anger.

 

The post referenced wasn't addressing trans at all. It was in response to another poster discussing coed sports leagues.

Nothing offensive at all.

 

I had the same interpretation Yam did.