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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Good point. Thanks for pointing it out. I keep having to change auto-correct on my cell and wasn't noticing the s at the beginning.
     
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    A few years ago we were told lesbians had an unfair athletic advantage over "real" women.
     
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    But that didn't make any sense and nobody with any ability for abstract thought honestly believed it.

    We have medical and scientific data which all backs up my stance here.
     
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    But that's silly. I can easily name some other kinds of people with greater physical and biological disadvantages. Obese people. Old people. Uncoordinated people. Unenergetic people. Etc. etc.

    Yes, that's the historical and current situation. However, that doesn't necessarily imply it's the right way to do things going forward.

    I suppose if you think that "women's sports" must be maintained in it's current form, then of course you are right.

    Having one standard rather than many is certainly better. But no matter where you draw the line, someone is going to be just above or just below the line. Is it 'fair' that someone just below your line competes with women and someone just above the line competes with men?

    I don't agree. There are plenty of women out there that could kick my ass. And I have a penis. There is no bright line in athletic ability between male and female in general.

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    Those are disabilities, not people at the top of their physical form. None of those people are prohibited from playing if they can compete. For example, obese people can play golf or baseball just fine. And we have sports for the disabled that able bodied people aren't allowed to compete in.


    I would be open to discussing other suggestions regarding the form of women's sports, but eliminating cis-womens only sports would not be an an acceptable solution, IMO.


    Yes, if you are above that "line" you can still compete, just at the next higher level. 100% fair.



    The world record holder for most women athletics are about equal to the records of HS boys.

    This isn't controversial.
     
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    Sure. But you are very much against those with "disabilities" who happen to be male moving up to the women's league, even if they'd be in the lower tier of athletes in that league?

    I think there's good reasons to prevent those with massively superior size/strength/ability from playing down just to dominate a competition.
    But not every would-be male athlete has those attributes.

    "Change is ok, as long as there is no change"

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    One could argue Brittney Grinder and Elena Delle Donne had a vast unfair advantage in high school basketball. So did Shaq and LeBron.
     
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    There are mens leagues they can play up to with similar levels of competition as womens leagues. There are far more men's options than there are women only options.

    Yes, there is no male who has to worry about his menstrual cycle and how that impacts training. There is no male who has to worry about getting pregnant and missing extended time to carry and deliver the baby. Or the recovery after that.

    There is no male who has to worry about the increase instance of injuries inherent to being a female athlete.

    If the only thing you consider being change is eliminating cis-womens sports then yes, that is correct.

    Next you'll be advocating for the end end of Title IX...
     
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    And they were playing at the highest level for their sex and class. Which is excellent.

    Brittney Griner and Elena Delle Donne would not have gotten high level D1 scholarships if there were no womans only league.
     
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    Women got D1 scholarships before there was a women's league.
     
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    I don't believe women were getting D1 basketball scholarships before there was a women's college basketball league. And they wouldn't be today. Even if a few did, the vast majority of those who do now, would not.

    It would be devastating for female athletes.
     
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    OK I misunderstood, I thought you meant women's professional basketball league.
     
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    One solution could be just to make them pay bathrooms, and be unisex.

    Or, a much easier solution would be for people to quit making up things about members of LGBTQ groups going into bathrooms and molesting their daughters and sons, and just fucking let people piss and poop in peace.
     
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    Well, that seems wrong, doesn't it? If you are insisting that women be 'separate but equal', shouldn't they at least be equal in opportunity?

    Not the overall Title IX, which bars discrimination.
    But I would advocate for ending athletic scholarships for women.
    And also for men. Colleges need to get out of the sports business.

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    I don't think I said anything about seperate but equal. But there is already far more opportunity for men.

    I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

    I would be fine with ending athletic scholarships once everybody can go to school for free.

    But I still wouldn't support ending cis-women only sports.
     
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    I was saying the status quo that you are defending discriminates against women.
    And "separate but equal" is a reference to segregation.

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    Interesting. Can you please explain how anything I've suggested discriminates against women?

    From my perspective women are welcome to play up into any league they can compete in.
     
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    I bolded it for you in my last post.

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    Can you please explain why you bolded that, and how it's relevant?
     
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