Oregon is tough for young people as cost of housing as a percentage of income isn't great compared to other States.
Mostly cost of living and the fact that people can work remotely now. You keep banging that "California is a shithole" drum though.
What facts? That's like me saying holy shit, Tennessee is a shithole. Have you seen Memphis and their crime?
Literally says they are moving because of the high cost of living in the second sentence. Of course all he read and understood was “urban crime” which you find in every city.
https://www.sbsun.com/2022/03/23/what-is-causing-californians-to-leave-california/ California is quickly becoming like the state of New York, which has experienced domestic out-migration and slow population growth for many years. By contrast, Texas has replaced California as the nation’s fastest-growing (in numerical increase) and most popular destination state. Why are so many people choosing to leave California? Various factors contribute to decisions to move. The leading factor is cost — it is far more expensive to live in California than in other places, and multitudes have decided they are unable or unwilling to pay the premium to live in this state. Housing, of course, tops the list of expenses. According to the Zillow Home Value Index (last updated in February), the median home value in California has increased to $669,000 — compared to $220,000 in Texas. For a lot of people, that single (enormous) difference seals the decision to move. But other costs also drive decisions. A quick glance at the price of a gallon of gas, a utility bill, or a tax bill in California compared to Texas or other states makes one wonder whether the premium is worth paying. Many also say they are prompted to leave by quality of life concerns. Although California is a natural paradise, it also is plagued by various forms of social disorder, including, in many places, crime, vandalism, and scandalous levels of homelessness. Others complain about the state’s political drift. Ultimately, the decision comes down to a decision of whether California, or someplace else, is a better place to build a life, raise a family, or enjoy retirement. Often, people have voted with their feet and left the state.
The leading factor is cost — it is far more expensive to live in California than in other places, and multitudes have decided they are unable or unwilling to pay the premium to live in this state.
Much of it began during COVID and California's ultra-restrictive policies. Sure, cost is a big deal, too. Why the high costs? Many are fleeing to Texas where businesses can actually thrive. https://www.governing.com/now/more-people-are-leaving-california-during-the-pandemic More People Are Leaving California During the Pandemic A new study found that population loss due to domestic migration out of California has more than doubled since the beginning of COVID-19. Entrances to the state have dropped 38 percent since March 2020. (TNS) — The number of people moving to California from other states has dropped significantly since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, and more Californians are leaving the state, according to a new study released Wednesday. The two trends signal that population loss due to domestic migration out of the Golden State has more than doubled since the beginning of the pandemic. The pattern has rippled across California: New entrances to the state have dropped in every county since the end of March 2020. When Californians do move, researchers said they are slightly more likely to leave the state than they were before the start of the pandemic. Entrances to California from other states have dropped 38 percent since March of last year, while the number of residents leaving to other states has increased 12 percent, the report from the nonpartisan California Policy Lab said. “The public’s attention has been focused on the so-called ‘CalExodus’ phenomenon, but the reality is that the dramatic drop in ‘CalEntrances’ since the pandemic began has been a bigger driver of recent population changes in the state,” Natalie Holmes, research fellow at the California Policy Lab, said in a statement. The study found “no evidence of a pronounced exodus” from the state but showed that net entrances from other states have dropped significantly since the start of the pandemic. “On net today, California loses more than twice as many people to domestic migration as it did before the pandemic,” the report said. Exits from California increased during the pandemic in eight of the state’s nine economic regions, according to the study, with a 21 percent increase in the Bay Area compared with a 1 percent increase in the Northern California region. The share of people who left California increased from roughly 16 percent in 2016 to 20 percent at the end of September 2021. Researchers said that since the end of March 2020, new entrances to Bay Area counties have dropped faster than in other parts of the state. “By the end of September 2021, there were 45 percent fewer people moving into the Bay Area from other U.S. states as compared to the beginning of 2020,” said Evan White, executive director of the California Policy Lab’s UC Berkeley site. “San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties have all lost population to domestic migration for the first time since at least 2016 because of these new patterns.” Between 2016 and the start of the pandemic, San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara were the only three California counties that received more people from other U.S. states than they sent to other U.S. states. Many Californians who moved in 2020 stayed in-state, often trading city life in the Bay Area or Los Angeles for suburban or rural communities. A growing number of families have moved inland over the last few years, data show, fueled by the hunt for more open space, a sense of community and affordable housing. But the migratory shift grew even more pronounced amid the pandemic, experts say, as the barriers to moving dropped for many in large cities, spurred by a newfound ability to work remotely. “We don’t try to dig into causes here in this report,” Holmes said. “But we all know someone or know someone who knows someone who moved during the pandemic.”
Surely has nothing to do with the fact that many businesses were forced to go remote so folks could earn California wages but live in a place that has lower cost.
Just a quick pop in to see if any of the people arguing about CA’s livability have actually lived in CA
I know one person who moved from Oregon and stated their sole reason was politics. They moved to South Dakota (HAHAHAHA). @ABM doesn't realize that it is easy for righties to throw parting shots at a lefty state even if their main purpose was because of cost.
I’m no economist but I would think when large amounts of Californians move to a state, that over time, the cost of housing will go up. Just a hunch
Yeah, I doubt that. They still consider them to be the dirty "Californians" A conservative Californian might be considered liberal in Texas. Might even vote for O'Rourke. There are a lot of places putting in rules that you have to live somewhat close to their assigned office. They'll be screaming once they lose their remote jobs and make less than half of what they did make.
I'm all for Californians (especially) moving to Florida. That's the best way to turn it blue and oust DeDumbshit. Californians (with Oregon as a prime example) move elsewhere because they are tired of how fucked up their state has become (all the while denying they had any part in its decay). They like what they see elsewhere, like a shiny new toy. But once they make the move, they start to bitch about what it isn't, rather than what it is. And then subtly (or not so subtly) they start agitating to make their new place of residence just like the place they left. And it all goes downhill from there. So if Californians want to move to Florida (and Texas), I'm available to help them do so. Whatever it takes to turn Florida (and Texas) around and bring it (them) back to Democracy......
It's true. Just look at Oregon. I remember when then Governor Tom McCall started a campaign to keep people from California moving to Oregon. They were driving up the housing costs exponenctially.
