I understand you're talking about a perfect world where mistakes aren't made. I'm saying we don't live in that world, and so I don't support the government having that power. If we did live in that world and then gave the government that power I suspect that would be the end of said perfect world. That is not a power government should have, IMO. Just lock them up for life. I don't see how the government killing the person helps the victim or their family at all. Most of these people are hoping for suicide by cop anyway. Why help them complete their goal? Why not take their freedom for their entire life?
How else do you explain Florida Man? It's the only thing that makes sense... that, and possibly incest...
No I plainly and clearly did not mention anything about wrongfully convicted felons. Just because you are able to infer something, doesn't mean that that is what was said. That's just you putting words in someones mouth. If you want to play symantics, have at it. Im pretty sure everyone in this convo knew we were all talking about proven murderers like the OP of the thread is about. Only you are trying to spin this convo into something it clearly was not, evidenced by the responses to your questions about wrongfully accused felons. Everyone here is talking about correctly convicted murderers/mass murderers. Come join the conversation we are having about them bro!!!! Or you can continue discussing some other topic about wrongfully accused convicts, which is not what any of us meant, as far as i can tell.
You are discussing a world that doesn't exist. How about you guys start discussing reality? This is a fairly important topic. What you are discussing is a reality which cannot exist. You can't give the government power to kill people quickly without them abusing it or fucking it up and killing innocent people.
Okay. The reality is the death penalty can be invoked for clearly Nd undoubtedly guilty people. Aka. Video evidence, etc. There are instances where it can be factually proven someone committed a mass murder and in those instances we can invoke a quick and just death for the convicted murderer. What is not living in reality is expecting nothing to fall through the cracks, like you are insinuating. You are right. Nothing IS perfect. But that is no reason to allow clear cut mass murderers to live. It doesn't have to be black and white and we can dissect each case individually and assign the proper punishment accordingly. Including a quick death where deemed appropriate.
You are denying extenuating circumstances and the fact that I'm talking about people YOU AND I both know are guilty....Mark David Chapman who killed John Lennon is free today....in my world...he'd have been killed within a few weeks of murdering John Lennon. That's a real world that exists. If you think Mark David Chapman didn't kill John Lennon in cold blood then you can be his lawyer. We know he did. That's a fact. Not up for debate. Today he's walking freely in the world...you know who isn't? John Lennon. Do you think Yoko needs to see him in Safeway buying groceries and be forgiving?
There is a reason to allow them to live. There have been multiple people eelvery year sentenced to death who are found to be free. How many innocents have been unable to prove their innocence before we wrongfully had them terminated? Horrifying to think about. That could be you. Could be me. Not a freak accident, or crazy person. But our own government killing innocent people. If we can't trust government to kill only guilty people we should let them live out their lives in prison so they can be set free if evidence that they are not guilty comes to light. There is literally no reason to kill them. If they are in jail they are not a threat to society.
There is no world that exists in which we can allow government that power, yet prevent them from killing innocent people. I'd gladly allow a murderer to go free if it would save an innocent person from being killed by the government. No hesitation. We can at least watch the murderer.
He's not talking about people who have not been caught red handed but people who have been convicted by a jury....different scenario. All of us who are supporting the death penalty are limiting that to demonstrable evidence of murder....not botched detective work.
You've never served in the military because that world does exist. I will never "gladly" allow a murderer to go free.
It's not worth it to me. That power can too easily be abused. There is no reason to kill them. And there is no way to do it cheaper than keeping them alive, while also allowing them their right to due process. What you are suggesting can't happen. It just can't. And we'd gain nothing if it could.
Sure there is. You can both follow through quickly with death sentences for those who there is absolute proof they killed people and hold off on cases that are questionable. That's very possible.
The military kills innocent people as well. And no, I wouldn't subject myself to an authoritarian government like the military without extreme incentive. Nor would I recommend anybody else to do so.
Are you reading the response you get to this? It doesn't seem like you are. Yes there is a reason to kill them. So it doesn't costs as much. Before you claim it costs less, read the thread first please. Its been addressed. As was this concern of yours you keep claiming about wrongfully accused. Listen. Some of us feel that if someone has been caught red handed committing a mass murder, their life should be ended quickly. No one that i have read said anything about wrongfully convicted. AGAIN we are only discussing clear cut, black aNd white, guilty murderers. That is the only thing i see people referring to. Why you keep taking those words and spinning them fore whatever purposes is, well, that's on you. if a person is gunning people down, is tackled and taken into custody and convicted, some of us feel they should die. If you want to try to make us feel guilty of that thought because there are some wrongfully convicted people over our countries history and pull some moral superiority card on us/me. Have at it. I stand by my claim that some people deserve nothing more than a quick death.
