OT Three Hotels Approaching Foreclosure in the Heart of Portland Offer a Warning to City Leaders

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  1. SharpeScooterShooter

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    Looks like your opinion of slc is more based off a headline than the in depth reality?

    https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/05/11/utah-was-once-lauded/
     
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    You are ignoring reality. Housing first saves us money. The only way to toss money down the drain is by arresting homeless people indiscriminately or not following housing first principles.

    We have more than enough money to house these people and treat them. It's already there and it's earmarked.

    Of course there will be some some damage. Far less expensive than allowing them to be homeless, which is even less expensive than putting them in prison (which we don't have the funds or space for).
     
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    I think it is you who is ignoring reality. ;)
    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/housing-first-effectiveness
     
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    Your link says that during the housing first program it was successful. It saved them a ton of money and nearly eradicated homelessness. Until they stopped doing it.

     
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    No it does not. Quote it then. Lol.

    when resources are given away for free, they run out:


    “In the years that came after the celebrations of 2015, officials would declare a state of emergency around Pioneer Park and The Road Home’s downtown shelter and pour tens of millions of dollars into Operation Rio Grande, an all-out attack on lawlessness in the neighborhood. They would also spend $67 million on a new homeless resource system to address a problem very much alive and well in the community.

    “I don’t think we’ve ever said that we met functional zero. There was a push on veteran homelessness, I think, that was pretty close to that,” said Jonathan Hardy of the Department of Workforce Services. “But as far as our chronically homeless, we’ve never gotten there.””
     
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    That link is bullshit. Housing first includes treatment and social workers.

    It's making bullshit arguments with are false about the tenets of housing first. Which were proven in the 10 years of offering housing, services, and treatment to the homeless in slc. Which even conservative estimates show saved them 50% over the homeless population.
     
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    okay. Show me? I see pages of these links and articles. I just posted another one. But i will not post them all. Its pretty obvious with some research, the models have significant faults.
     
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    I did quote it. The program ended in 2015. Of course things got worse after the program ended.

    Now they spend a lot more than they did during the program.
     
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    Read it again. That what does not say what you claim. If it does, bolden the exact portion.
     
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    Yeah. The program ended in 2015. It's been a shit show since.
     
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    Read the article. Between a couple of them they out 600 million into it and then another 67 million after 2015.
     
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    because they don't have the funding to keep it going. Its finite because of finite resources.
     
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    Do the math. What does that work to per year per person?
     
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    Lol, you're not doing the math. The cost per person was $8k per year per person, at most.

    The homeless are now costing them well over $30k per person
     
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    why does that matter? Resources are not infinite.
    You are changing the goalposts now. The funding cant be infinite. They had to stop. And then there are articles saying the people housed in slc are still in need of mental help etc. nothing addressed to actually help the person.
     
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    how can you come up with these numbers without knowing the actual homeless population?
     
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