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It's going to be a route.

 

Neither has had any consistent impact by restrictions on guns though.

For every state or country that has restricted guns and seen a drop in violent crime or murder rates, there is a state or country which has restricted guns only to see a rise in violent crime and murder rates. Often including rises in gun crime.

Only by increasing their gini coefficient has anybody reduced violent crime and murder rates long term. Increasing access to education, healthcare, improving their social safety nets.

If Kotek were suggesting these instead of increased gun restrictions she'd be several points ahead in all of these polls.

 

Nothing significant has been tried.

 

Significant efforts have been made here, as well as other countries.

New restrictions on guns have shown very little correlation with reductions in violent crime or murder rates.

Improve the living standard of your poor and you will see far less killing over time. It's that "simple".

 

Oh, really? When did they ban guns? How about even a little thing like limit magazine capacity?

 

Brazil virtually banned guns. Violent crime and murder rates increased. Including gun crime.

Australia drastically increased restrictions on guns in the mid 90s, their violent crime and murder rates were almost a mirror of ours as we were letting the assault weapons ban expire and nearly doubling our number of guns. The UK made very similar changes and their violent crime and murder rates actually went up.

We've had magazine limits at the state level in states like Colorado, Chicago, etc, which are also seeing rising violent crime and murder rates...

What we are seeing is a much bigger problem than access to specific weapons.

We have an ever growing population of desperate people and they are acting out of desperation.

Yet Nordic countries have gun ownership rates similar and even higher than we have in the US, including high capacity magazines and military rifles, yet have violent crime and murder rates similar to that of European countries.

 

It doesn't need to be most oregonians to cost Kotek the election. That's the point.

She's not suggesting those things as the most effective solutions to high rates of violence and crime. Even though they are. She's busy pushing an agenda.

That's part of the reason Betsy Johnson and Drazen have so much support.

 

My brother in-law a staunch dem because of electrical contactors union and social issues is a life long hunter and member of NRA as his father and grandfathers were, all dems.
He voted for Brown but thinks her work on the homeless issue has been questionable, he says he may vote for Betsy as he doesn't think Tina respects gun owners and ones the are NRA members.
I respect him him because he treats my sis and their kids well, works hard just a likable dude. He's going eld hunting for 10 days in Starky with 7 other democrats.

 

Yes, crime rates dropped by roughly as much in the US the following 10-15 years as well. After the assault weapon ban and while the US nearly doubled the number of privately-owned guns.

Crime rates in the US didn't start rising again until the great recession.

 

My Grandfather and many of his friends feel similar as well.

There are a lot of gun owners in Oregon. A lot of them are democrats. And a lot of them are supporting Betsy for the same reasons you just mentioned.

 

Brazil? Really? You bring that up as your example? What about Australia, Japan, England and a whole host of European countries?

 

I brought many of them up as well. And there are many gun control failures I didn't bring up.

You'll see in my post that Australia showed very similar drops in violent crime and murder rates that we did here in the US over the same time frame.

I compared the European countries to the Nordic countries.

I'm not making these comparisons in jest. They are real and I've posted the numbers in this forum multiple times.
You'll also see that I mentioned the UK's mid 90s efforts which actually resulted in a slight rise in violent crime and murder rates. Long term.

The point isn't to say fewer guns causes increased crime rates. Simply that we don't have evidence of a significant impact one way or another.

We do know, for sure, that improving the gini coefficient reduces violent crime and murder rates.

 

The evidence is so clear that I'm amazed you can't see it.
I don't believe I'll ever get through to you.

 

Run Betsy Run!

 

Without consistency in rise or fall of homicide rates post gun control adoption when compared to neighboring or similar countries I don't understand how this can be seen as evidence of anything.