Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. Fairly-Hard

    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    So if Ukraine takes back the area Putin annexed will Putin say Russia has been invaded? Is that his plan?
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Yes. In my opinion, that is exactly what he is doing. He will use it to justify some kind of level of force escalation
     
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    That would be extremely desperate. I think it's all theatrics.
     
  4. UKRAINEFAN

    UKRAINEFAN Well-Known Member

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    Day 222. Ukrainian forces continued to liberate settlements east and northeast of Lyman and have liberated Torske in Donetsk Oblast. Russian sources claimed that Russian forces withdrew from their positions northeast of Lyman, likely to positions around Kreminna and along the R66 Svatove-Kreminna highway. Ukrainian forces continued to advance on settlements east of Kupyansk and have liberated Kisharivka in Kharkiv Oblast. Russian forces continued to launch unsuccessful assaults in the Donetsk Oblast. Ukrainian forces resumed counteroffensives in northern Kherson Oblast. Russian forces continued to target Kryvyi Rih and Mykolaiv Oblast with Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones. IAEA head seeks release of Ukrainian nuclear plant head. Germany, Denmark, and Norway to deliver 16 howitzers to Ukraine.
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    I had to look up the meaning of Oblast. For some on here who are less knowledgeable. An Oblast is an area or Division of an area. A “Precinct” or maybe a “County” in our terms.

    If you all already knew that well now I know too.
     
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  6. Road Ratt

    Road Ratt King of my own little world

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    Noam Chomsky & Vijay Prashad on Ukraine, Why U.S. Must Negotiate with Russia & What Media Gets Wrong

     
  7. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

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    Fuck negotiating with Russia. The US might need to negotiate with Russia on some issue or other but not Ukraine.

    Ukraine is the only one with the right to negotiate their future.
     
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    When Ukraine is ready to negotiate I'll support negotiations. As long as Ukraine is interested in expelling Russia I'll support expelling Russia.

    Regarding climate change, the US should be putting tarrifs on carbon (and other harmful pollution) intensive products (after ending subsidies for these same items) and distributing a dividend to the poor and middle class to offset.

    These are not mutually exclusive ideas. Allowing Russia to expand and take Ukraine is not beneficial to efforts to limit climate change.
     
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  9. Fairly-Hard

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    Yeah I can think of a number of ways Russia could help deter climate change that would be a bunch more effective without a hostile takeover of a border country.
     
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    Ukraine is ready to negotiate as soon as russia gets out of their country. It's that simple.
     
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    Nice to see those three in the same photo. Like allies.....
     
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    As is their right.
     
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    Thats right on!
     
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    Ah, I see. Discount his word because you believe that Noam is a Putin ally.

    This is a typical tactic. Paint dissenters as allies of the enemy. Hilarious.
     
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    I didn't paint anyone as enemy. Just said no one but Ukraine has the right to negotiate for Ukraine.
     
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    Exactly this.
     
  18. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    While one part of me wants to see that,another part thinks that may be complicated. How would NATO handle the current hot war between Ukraine and Russia and how would they handle Russian takeover of Ukrainian sovereign territory?
     
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    "The friend and/or appeaser of my enemy is also my enemy" Ukrainefan
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    All this and the United States has the okay to give Ukraine another $17 Billion in aid. I wish we had a $100 Billion to give.
     
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