Trade for Draymond?

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  1. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    He shoved him because he was in his face. He shoved him and backed up, he wasn’t attacking Green. That swing was not necessary. That swing was a move by a bully. No defending that swing, I don’t give a fuck what he said.
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    At the end of the day, it should have never come to blows. That's just not acceptable. Buuuuuuuuuut I don't think Poole should be considered some innocent bystander in this. I'd really like to know what was said..... but trash talk has been going on in the NBA forever. Then again...... MJ decked Steve Kerr in a practice.
     
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    No words would justify an assualt IMO... especially of a teammate.

    And if anyone in the NBA should expect tolerance of people running their mouth, it's Draymond. Imagine if he got punched every time he talked trash.
     
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    In THIS incident on THIS video, he most definitely is.
     
  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Shoving someone is assault :dunno:
     
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    The main thing I got from this video is no teammates ran over to break it up til the end. Only coaches. That lets you know how they feel about Poole as a teammate.
     
  7. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    So you think there's some validity to Chris Haynes' report?
     
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    Really, you are going to take it this way? She shoved him because he was in his face! And he didn’t follow Green after the shove. Now had he shoved him and continued towards him, sure, stick him, but that’s not how this played out. Can’t believe you took the time to type that response.
     
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    I don’t think I’ve read his report.
     
  10. Natebishop3

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    I'm not "taking" anything. If you shove someone, you can be charged with assault. That's the law.
     
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    I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic. I'm assuming sarcastic because Green approached Poole, made contact with him first, and while Poole did shove him to create space, it is clear the push is not a move to hurt Draymond. Draymond started the physical altercation and he more-or-less sucker punched Poole. If Poole hurt his feelings with his words, then Poole owes Draymond an apology for that, but Draymond is clearly crossed the line.
     
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    You used the word "assault" and I'm just saying that in the eyes of the law, a shove is assault.
     
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    Looks like someone could be charged with battery for walking into someone like Draymond did if you went off this definition.

    https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/assault-and-battery-overview.html
    Battery: Definition
    Although the statutes defining battery will vary by jurisdiction, a typical definition for battery is the intentional offensive or harmful touching of another person without their consent. Under this general definition, a battery offense requires all of the following:

    • intentional touching;
    • the touching must be harmful or offensive;
    • without the consent from the victim.
    Battery: Intent Requirement
    It may come as some surprise that a battery generally does not require any intent to harm the victim (although such intent often exists in battery cases). Instead, a person need only have an intent to contact or cause contact with another. Additionally, if someone acts in a criminally reckless or negligent manner that results in such contact, it may constitute an assault. As a result, accidentally bumping into someone, offensive as the "victim" might consider it to be, would not constitute a battery.
     
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    Correct. As I understand the law, Draymonds bump would actually be the first assault, as it would also be an an unwanted touching that is done in a rude or angry manner.

    So in review. Draymond escalated the situation at least three times: 1) Approaching Poole aggressively. 2) Making initial physical contact. 3) Throwing a punch.

    If Draymond wants to say that anyone who runs their mouth deserves to be punched, then he's saying he should've been punch a ton of time throughout his career.

    Difficult to see a stance where one can justify what Draymond did.
     
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    Jordan Poole is an arrogant piece of shit even Dame was telling us about him. I’m with Draymond..
     
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    By that definition, tapping someone on the shoulder to get their attention could be battery if they were offended by it.
     
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    You would have to find a DA that would be willing to press those charges on behalf of the tax-payers, which is unlikely.

    I would be surprised if Green was charged with assault, even though there is clear video evidence. The law is not applied equally (or fairly), it's very much political.
     
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    Unless Poole said I fucked your mom last night and proceeded to show video evidence, there is no justification for that punch. That wasn’t a normal punch. That was a all his weight behind it, flying punch.
     
  19. Natebishop3

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    What kind of punches do you throw? Fake ones?

    You're supposed to put your weight behind a punch.
     
  20. Natebishop3

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    The laws are pretty vague so that it can be left up to the DA if they want to press charges. But based on several different places I have checked, I'd say three separate instances of battery and/or assault were committed.

    Draymond getting into Poole's face.
    Poole shoving Draymond.
    Draymond punching him.
     

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