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I am absolutely opposed to killing people who aren't a threat to the public. People in prison are not a threat to the public.

I'm opposed to the government killing civilians as punishment in general. Government should not have the power to kill anybody unless they are an imminent threat to the public.

I absolutely understand people wanting to kill somebody who killed one of their loved ones. That is awesome human reaction. It is not something The government should engage in. The government should provide for the mental health of the survivors.

 

No, not via the taking of life once the threat has been neutralized. The guilty party spending life in prison is justice.

If the threat hasn't been neutralized then absolutely, you're well within your rights, and justified in killing the S.O.B.

 

Why did you specify "aren't a threat to the public"? We're talking in absolutes, remember?

So if he were still a "threat to the public" you'd be for the killing? Because being a threat to the public is worse than killing the public? Killing the public is in the past after all so it's totally not the same thing than if the guy were to kill the public. That's waaaayyy different.

oh fuck @SlyPokerDog!

 

You don't get to choose what justice for dead children is, dude. Again my whole argument is about the idea that this principle is all or nothing, and there are never exceptions. This is an exception… obviously.

My God, your rationale and distinction for when it's okay to kill someone is so warped it's hard to believe you don't see it.

 

If the government needs to kill a murderer to prevent them from continuing an active attack then it is acceptable. Once the killer has been apprehended and the threat has been removed there is no benefit to killing them.

Much like I support your right to kill somebody who you see trying to kill another person. But I don't support your right to just kill people you think deserve to die, but aren't an active threat.

I don't trust you to make that determination.

No thanks, but I do appreciate the offer.

 

But you do. I see...

I believe in self defense and defending others who are under active attack.

I do not believe in killing people who are not a threat.

I feel I've been pretty clear on that.

 

There's no benefit to not killing them. Killing them is a benefit to the victims. You know... the victims. If they matter? Maybe not. What matters more than all that is the principle of Phatguysrule.

Oh I know the problem, we're talking about two different things. I'm not referring to something I "think" happened. I'm not guessing. I'm talking about someone who killed 17 people.

 

There is no benefit to the victims by killing a murderer in jail.

We know that our judicial system has killed hundreds of innocent people.

Not killing those innocent people would have a significant benefit, IMO.

 

I should have no say in the matter, I'm not the victim. You're acting like this would just be a Lynch mob type thing that I'm advocating. Sometimes the evidence is irrefutable to the degree it is in this case, and the crime is so heinous, that allowing that man to live is in my opinion morally wrong.

 

How the fuck do you know?

I'm talking about instances like this. There's zero doubt here. Zero.

 

I'll think about it.

 

You're free to have that opinion. I simply disagree.

 

Thank you, and you're free to simply disregard the opinions of the actual victims in favor of your own. Enjoy.

 

Okay, I stand corrected.

There is no benefit to society that would offset the hundreds of innocent people we've allowed our judicial system to execute by allowing it to have this power.

I understand the loved ones feel great pain and anguish, and I sympathize with them.

 

True statement.

 

Unfortunately I don't believe our judicial system is capable of reliably making this distinction.

 

Hi. We're talking about a school shooter who killed 17 people.

Well that's big of you, I'm sure it means a lot to them.

 

Correct.

I doubt they care about my opinion.

Vengeance has no benefit to society. Making victims feel better is not worth the innocent lives that have been lost by allowing government that power.