My dream is that Phil Knight just figures, fuck it, I've only got a few years left, and offers Jody an absurd amount of money, and comes in ready to make wholesale changes.
Dame $225 million vs Ant $100 million Dame 32 years old vs Ant 23 years old For a team not contending immediately the choice should be clear.
Are we sure that matters? If Nurk is viewed as overpaid by most teams (likely) than his value is probably worth a late second round pick or worse. I guess we could trade him for a player on an even worse contract (Westbrook?) for an asset but otherwise I don't see the point of trading him either way.
LOL...you can't be serious "7-10 years from now".....really?....really??? you mean when Ant is 33, older than Dame now, and Sharpe is 29? A window that starts 2-5 years after Dame's contract(s) ends.; a window that runs from when he's 39 -42. A window that could start 3 years after Ant leaves in free agency and could be the same year Sharpe leaves considering how rapidly the NBA changes and evolves, thinking you can extrapolate how moves would impact the team 2/3 of a decade, or more, in the future, is completely loony-tunes. That's simply expressing your wish that Portland would trade Dame and supporting it with fairy dust
Dame is special. Ant is a nice player right now, and hopefully gets better. Hopefully is not Will become great. I'm entertained by Dame. The special that he can kick in at any time is thrilling. Ant doesn't have that . Even a total rebuild isn't any guaranty that the Blazers will contend at any time in the near or extended future. I choose to live in the now because of that. I'm hoping that Joe can put the right pieces together to achieve special. But i'm riding the talents of Dame till there ain't more riding to do. Go Blazers!!
I still don't know what the fuck we're talking about here? Is it just @Rastapopoulos very unrealistic wet dream that we would ever trade Dame if he didn't demand one? If it's just personal, I personally thought Ant got a bigger overpay than Dame this off season. If it's actually just personal, I like Ant and everything but the dude's not Dame. If it's about game, Dame has proven he has all nba game. This isn't a question of Dame or Ant because every rational person would say Dame. This is a question of sticking with trying to build a win now team or blowing it up. Don't be reductive and make it about two players because when you do it becomes silly because Dame is so far superior to Ant even when considering the amount of years left being effective and upside. This is how silly this thread is. If Ant was on another team would you trade him for Dame straight up if the team had the cap room to absorb Dame's salary? Fuck no you wouldn't!
That is actually an interesting question. The only way to get value for Nurk would be for him to get off to a fast start and then con someone into thinking he won't get hurt again.
I wouldn’t trade either guy unless Dame was traded. What can we actually get for an expiring Grant? If he plays well, you can probably trade him to a contender for at least a late 1st this year. But if he’s not playing well enough to get anything back, why trade him? We have to re-sign Grant before ever trading him. Nurk—I’m just hoping he wasn’t good in the preseason because he doesn’t try in the postseason. Cause if this Nurk is regular season Nurk, unload him before the beginning of next season. So before Dame ever gets traded.
A faded Dame with a superstar Sharpe could win a title in a few years. Look how CP3 has done with Phoenix (Finals) and Jason Kidd did with Mavs (Title). With the right pieces around him, we won’t need peak Dame. Kidd was 38!
I think the earlier post about a window for contention "7-10 years from now" might be pretty revealing... now, this is just my opinion; theory; hunch; suspicion...whatever. That being: some people are saying trade Dame because Portland almost certainly can't build a contender around him in the next 3-4 years...they are aware of something deep down which is that Portland isn't going to build a contender around what they trade Dame for in the next 3 or 4 years either. In other words, all the hoopla about contending is just cover for their desire to see another direction... now, I get that...I really do. I spent several seasons desperately wanting the Blazers to go a different direction than the perpetual reboots of Olshey. I wasn't inclined to let go of that desire, so there's that but the thing is we pretty much know what it takes to be a contender: at least one elite player plus at least one, better if two, teammates at solid all-star level. And, at least one of the best two players has to be a two-way wing. That's the formula and we all know what it almost certainly needs to look like so then, Portland has the elite player. And he might very well remain elite for the next 3-4 seasons. What Portland does not have is an accompanying all-star who happens to be a two-way wing. They aren't close. So the solution, according to some, it to trade the one elite player Portland has, the only player close to all-star level, and actually move further away from contention in the long-shot hope that somehow Portland can loop back around and not only land another elite player, but a couple of all-stars as well.......which as I said is why those advocating this know it isn't really a path to contention within the time frame they are using to criticize building a team around Dame
Simons and Sharpe are a perfect set...You do not break that up. For the time being, you definitely start Hart at SG and bring Simons off the bench to play with Sharpe and prepare for the future.
Simons and it’s an easy choice considering age and contract. I love Lillard and what he’s meant to the team and the city but I understand sports enough that when it’s clear the future isn’t bright and you have an aging star it’s time to reconsider. I’m just afraid with that contract I don’t think that might be an option for a team looking to acquire to get them over the top
@THE HCP suggested Ant should come off the bench and be our "Microwave" (thereby revealing how fucking old he is), to which I responded: THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, CHAUNCEY:
Respectfully disagree about aging star. If you look at the top contenders they have players as old or older than Dame. Butler 33 Lopez, Middleton & Holiday over 3o plus Harden 30 plus Horford ancient/ Boston needed another star player in their 30's to beat GS.lol GS...afew old duffers. remember today 30 is like the last decades 1990's 20's
