OT Kyrie Irving is certain that he is not an anti-semite; many others disagree

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Talk about waiting for the other shoe to fall
     
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    The lag time on this stuff is interesting--I mean, obviously with a company like Nike, who has invested money in ads and time in development and who knows what else, they have to thoughtfully weigh the decision--and it's also interesting it comes AFTER the apology--I mean I'm sure they've been working towards a crisis resolution since day 1, but it just shows how little impact the Pulitzer Prize written apology had. Also, also interesting that the NBA seems to be doing the least.
     
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    The decision to cut ties with Kyrie may have been made many days ago by Nike. But it takes lawyers reviewing it and other formalities to get lined up inside of Nike before they issue that statement publicly.
     
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    I said that.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Sorry I didn't see it, I apologize.

    I am a seeker of truth and knowledge and I know who I am.
     
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    I don't mind.
     
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    Inside the high-wire decision to suspend Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving

    For several agonizing days, the pleas had grown into a crescendo for Brooklyn Nets owner Joe Tsai to punish star guard Kyrie Irving. The most important and invested voices in his orbit -- including NBA commissioner Adam Silver and Nets general manager Sean Marks -- had sided with a broad swath of the public in believing that Irving's refusal to condemn the contents of an antisemitic film he shared on his social media had left the Nets no choice but to suspend him, sources told ESPN.

    Against the backdrop of calls for swift action, sources said Tsai had resisted and insisted on taking time to educate Irving on the horrors of antisemitism. He'd enlisted the counsel of the Anti-Defamation League, watched the full 3½ hours of the hate-filled movie Irving had shared, "Hebrews to Negroes: Wake Up Black America" -- complete with its Holocaust denialism and quoting of antisemites such as Adolf Hitler and Henry Ford -- and researched the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, whose beliefs Irving frequently references in public settings.

    As it turned out, the redemptive arc that Tsai had imagined for his star had devolved into what the owner felt was a repetitive exercise in Irving's betrayal of good faith, sources said. For nearly a week, Tsai kept extending the clock to give Irving a chance to get this right for himself, the franchise and the Jewish community -- and Irving never returned a single of his text messages, sources said. Almost a week later, Irving had shown no inclination to deliver an apology, nor a disassociation of the movie's contents, nor a willingness to answer "No" when asked if he held antisemitic beliefs.

    The team Thursday leveled a five-game suspension without pay, declaring Irving "currently unfit to be associated with the Brooklyn Nets."

    For all the questions surrounding the most troubling week in the troubled tenure of Irving and the Nets, one question remained: Why did it take Tsai so long to get there? As much as anything, Tsai had held out a hope that there could be a two-way conversation with Irving.

    Tsai issued a statement Friday night, declaring he was "disappointed that Kyrie appears to support a film based on a book full of antisemitic disinformation," and described his desire to "sit down and make sure he understands this is hurtful to all of us, and as a man of faith, it is wrong to promote hate based on race, ethnicity or religion."

    After a combative news conference Saturday night in which Irving said he refused to "stand down," stronger calls had emerged within Nets leadership and the commissioner's office to level a suspension, sources said. For the franchise and league, embarrassment grew and patience waned. For most, the news conference had portrayed a familiar Irving -- defiant, undeterred and crusading with misinformation.

    "I'm only going to get stronger because I'm not alone," Irving said. "I have a whole army around me."

    This stirred the echoes of Irving's anti-science, anti-vaccination stance of a season ago. Much of the Nets' standoff with Irving, 30, in the offseason had been rooted in the franchise's unwillingness to guarantee the 2011 No. 1 overall draft pick a long-term contract, leaving him in the final season of his deal at a $36.5 million salary.

    The failed negotiations of the summer had spilled into a far more dramatic and destructive matter this time. The franchise's communication with Irving had been channeled completely through his agent and stepmother, Shetellia Riley Irving, sources said. Tsai had wanted time and space to work together with the ADL and Irving, but there was no direct dialogue with Irving himself, sources said. Silver had cautioned Tsai that issuing a joint statement with the ADL without dealing with Irving directly -- nor including a condemnation of the movie's material, or a full apology -- simply didn't reach an acceptable threshold, sources said.

    The Nets and Irving on Wednesday publicly pledged $500,000 each to the ADL for the purposes of combating antisemitism, only to have ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt publicly declare hours later -- and following news of Irving's suspension -- that the group would no longer accept the donation after Irving's "debacle" of a news conference Thursday.

    Silver's patience had run out Thursday morning. What had started as a humiliation for the Nets had become a full-scale embarrassment and crisis for the league. Silver issued a piercing condemnation of Irving's failure to offer "an unqualified apology and more specifically denounce the vile and harmful content contained in the film he chose to publicize."

    Irving had become an albatross around his team, too. He had played a listless game Tuesday in a loss to the Chicago Bulls, leaving his teammates and opponents to privately describe him as disengaged and seemingly "in another world." For a player averaging 30 points and shooting at almost every opportunity, Irving didn't make a basket until the fourth quarter. He had been distant to everyone in recent days, sources said, his presence feeling like an anvil hanging over everyone.

    Before the Nets on Thursday took off for a weekend trip to play the Washington Wizards and the Charlotte Hornets, Irving had walked over to an assembled group of media members and again refused to apologize or condemn the film. Asked if he held antisemitic beliefs, Irving responded, "I cannot be antisemitic if I know where I come from."

    For Tsai, that was it. No more. Irving's refusal to disavow antisemitism and Holocaust denial convinced him Irving had been insincere in his joint ADL statement hours earlier, sources said. The efforts to educate had failed miserably, Tsai's faith in Irving proving once more to have been misguided and ultimately disastrous for his franchise.

    The only question left for Tsai and the Nets: How long of a suspension for Irving, and what would be the path to reinstatement? After hours of conferring with lawyers and the league office, the Nets landed on five games without pay -- costing Irving $1.2 million -- and a requirement to complete a "series of objective remedial measures that address the harmful impact of his conduct."

    In an email outlining the suspension to his agent, the conditions needed for Irving's reinstatement included a public statement recognizing the film is antisemitic, an apology for supporting the film and the falsehoods within it, and training sessions on the dangers of hate speech, sources said. There would also need to be meetings with Brooklyn Jewish leaders, Marks told reporters Friday morning.

    Four hours after learning of his suspension, Irving issued a statement on his Instagram page that went further than he had gone in the previous week.

    "To all Jewish families and communities that are hurt and affected from my post, I am deeply sorry to have caused you pain, and I apologize," Irving wrote.

    "I initially reacted out of emotion to being unjustly labeled Antisemitic, instead of focusing on the healing process of my Jewish Brothers and Sisters that were hurt from the hateful remarks made in the documentary."

    Marks on Friday called the apology a "step in the right direction" but "certainly not enough."

    Amid the suspension, the Nets are in freefall. They have lost six of their first eight games to start the season. Besides the Irving situation, Ben Simmons is out with knee soreness and the Nets are still working through the final stages of vetting the hiring of suspended Celtics coach Ime Udoka, sources said.

    As usual, Irving's future is murky and tied to Kevin Durant's. If Irving's trade value was low this summer, it has cratered now. Even so, the Nets needed a trade partner willing to give Irving a long-term deal to execute a trade over the summer, but that's no longer the case. He's on an expiring contract, which means a team isn't committed financially to him beyond the end of this season.

    Four years ago, Durant and Irving arrived in Brooklyn together. The partnership nearly crumbled over the summer and now teeters again. When talking to reporters Friday morning, Durant was noncommittal on Irving, the organization and the chaos of the entire week. "I feel like it was all unnecessary," he said.

    Once more, there's an unmistakable question looming over the franchise: Who's the last man standing for Kyrie Irving?

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...ision-suspend-brooklyn-nets-star-kyrie-irving
     
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    Kyrie is a fucking idiot, a bigot and a guy who isn't but thinks he is smarter than everyone in the room. I hope this comes down on him as hard as it possibly can and that he actually (despite his hubris) realizes how wrong and unwise he is.

    That is likely a foolhardy hope and this man will continue to operate as he has over this last decade plus. Like he's the smartest person in the room despite the fact that he's likely one of the dumbest or more so one of the most arrogant and uneducated. If he doesn't realize this he will continue to think that he knows things that scientists and all of the scholars around the world don't know. He will continue to deny known truths and vilify people based on their heritage which is obviously a mistake.
     
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    Early in his career, Kyrie made it clear that he would rather be *the* star of an also ran than play with someone like LeBron. That right there should have been a clear warning to anybody who looked beyond his stats. When a player tells you they are selfish and egotistical, believe them!
     
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    Could argue Joe Tsai took too long to suspend Kyrie.

    But this might legitimize the suspension or allow it to go much longer. Nets gave Kyrie opportunity to correct this which he failed to do.

    Most employees would be fired without pay and forfeit their contract. Nets now have a strong case to do that.
     
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    I doubt it happens but I'd like to see it. For sure any player who espoused bigotry and white-supremacist beliefs would be out of the league damn fast

    if the Nets did that I'd be real curious what the reaction from the player's union would be. The players have been notably silent on this. Kind of disturbing when Barkley and Reggie Miller have taken a much higher moral position than the players
     
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    2 down, 4 to go
     
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    What would Joe Tsai know about anti-semitism lol?
     
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    I don't think that's the aim of that item. Think if they rephrased it as "Meet with Nets supervisor to demonstrate understanding"

    Or maybe just "meet with adult"
     
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    irresponsible?

    its borderline slander. Some people care not about facts and think their opinions aRe what reality is. Im ringing my social circle from these presumptuous types. I have no room in my life for such fox news type projections like this.
    i am going to say one last time.
    I never did anything outside of this forum. I made an extremely bad call, poor decision to make a thread here asking how the blazers brass would feel about something.
    I thought we were a circle community of Forum members and i was looking to discuss within this circle. I made a huge miss calculation and was completely naive in thinking that stuff stayed here. I never thought someone would take my words and use that as some sort of justification to actually complain to the Blazers about a forum member, even if the attempted discussion was based on how the team feels about something.
    Again a huge miscalculation on my part that i will forever regret aNd have to live with.
    If i had had the common sense to realize that this is not a “what happens in the forum, stays in the forum,” type community, i never would have posted that thread.
    I was newer here and fucked up.
    I cant take it back. I wish i could. It was deleted, but did the damage nonetheless and i cant apologize enough for it.
    I am not looking for sympathy in any way. I own what i did. It was a major error. But im here to tell all now, that i never ever took anything outside of this forum and i don't know who did.
    There will never be proof that i did it, because i didn't. But there will also never be proof to clear my name unless the person who actually did it steps up and comes clean. So it is what it is.

    If people want to use hearsay and spread rumors as some sort of historical fact, i cant stop them. However i hope they know that makes them just as bad as all the fox news, fake news bullshit those individuals rail against on a regular basis.

    I also have to admit i made a grave error in thinking certain people could be trusted here and could keep things in confidence.

    When i came back i read up on some things and noticed an individual had said i had needed to go.
    So i messaged this person and asked them if they truly felt that way, i would stay away out of respect. I did not come back to continue this or any other drama. I came back (Thanks to Slys gracious heart)because you wont find a bigger blazer fan than me and i love this place overall.
    However this individual let it be loosely known who i was, which opened up a pandoras drama box all over again.
    once again. My fault. My error. My bad judgement. I thought that respect of another's opinion would be reciprocated.
    This will not be an on and on thing regardless of any potential responses.
    I just could not sit and let this post, and more importantly, the one this quoted post refers to, go without addressing it.
    im sure others could understand wanting to respond to a false accusation such as this if you were on the receiving end.
    i know tl/dr.

    But i bet you actually did. ;)

    Rant over. Moving on.

    Go Blazers!
     
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    You Rang FAMS!?
     
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    I did. I agree. Go Blazers.
     

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