Agree it would take more than just Nurk and Simons for Siakam. When I said realistic, I meant Siakam is at least rumored to be available and we have some pieces they would want. But as discussed previously, that piece would probably need to be Sharpe and I don't like that. First-round picks I would consider, as much as I hate doing that as well.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to send Shae but I would guarantee the Chicago pick and send over up to all three of the firsts that would make available to get Siakam. As long as we had a deal in place to move Josh or someone else for an athletic starting big.
I don't believe Ant is untouchable. My untouchable list ends at Dame, Grant, and Shae. We need a quality starting PF, moving Grant to SF, and a bigger SG. That alone would make us a playoff team. At this point I'm all in on trading Ant to forward that progress.
Was discussing just that ideas with someone who wondered what this team would look like with... Dame/Little/OG/Grant/Nurk....or??? Much more size, defense and rebounding, and the believed Little+OG's scoring would more than make up for the loss of Ant+Hart. You would need a legit backup PG (as we have needed for years), and I love the matchup nightmares Little could cause for a lot of other SGs. There is a lack of playmaking outside of Dame, but that is the case now, so nothing there would have changed. But several other things would be better IMO. They raised an interesting discussion point.
All sorts of names popping up as 'possibly' on the move. But does Portland have what it takes to get involved? Not having control of their own Draft picks is hampering them.
Michael Scotto: Pascal Siakam is leading the league in minutes per game for the second straight season and averaging career-highs in points (25) and assists (6.3). From talking to executives around the league, they don’t believe he’s going to be traded, unless you overpay and blow Toronto away with a crazy offer. I believe this is probably true. Why trade him unless you were totally blowing the team up? I still think a three way netting us Bamba, Rozier, Plumlee and Jalen McDaniels for Nurk and Simons is doable, and since Blazers are not going to blow it up, it's better than nothing.. The only other thing is trying to get Jaden McDaniels and Naz Reid from MN, but I rate that improbable.
I will continue to contend that all of our picks after this season (obviously only a swap next season but anything they want to do after that) are and should be in play but only if it guarantees us getting much better. A deal or deals involving guaranteeing our pick to Chicago in the upcoming draft and sending future first round picks out has to get us much closer to contending and guarantee that we'll make the playoffs or in other words get another all star level player on this team with Dame and improve the balance of this roster.
What all star level player do you have in mind that can be had for a future first. And with Lillard getting on the older side is it smart to trade away any of our future assets?
"The Hornets are discussing center Mason Plumlee and forward Kelly Oubre Jr. in trade conversations, sources say. Forward Jalen McDaniels continues to be a name several teams like the Suns, Raptors, Jazz, Pacers and Spurs are closely monitoring, but the Hornets value the 6-foot-9 forward whom they have developed over the past four seasons. Teams with interest and cap space this offseason, such as the Jazz, Pacers and Spurs, may opt to wait until free agency to court McDaniels, who will be unrestricted, instead of trading an asset to acquire him now while having to compensate him in July." All three are unrestricted free agents this summer, that's why I think Blazers can deal with them. Also: The Charlotte Hornets are open to moving out of Terry Rozier’s sizable contract as the team continues to restructure. – via Eric Pincus @ Bleacher Report It looks to me that Rozier is playing better now that Ball is back, supports my theory that he was having a bad year while Ball was out because he had to do too much. he is still only 28 and his two previous years were quite good offensively. Better advanced defensive stats than Simons.
If they value him so much, why is he coming off the bench lately? Not something that would want to make him stay in Charlotte.
I didn't say a future first I said future draft assets. I think there are a lot of all stars level players and probably a handful of all nba level players that are available for some package that includes some if not all of our FRPs in 2025, '27 and '29 together with FRP swaps in '24, '26 and '28. To answer your second question I have no fucking clue why people are asking that shit right now. Dame is obviously one of the handful of the best players in the world right now given his scoring prowess, his ability to set up teammates, his incredible ability to lead others and him playing the best defense we've ever seen out of him. There is no reason to believe that he is going to take a steep decline any time in the two to three seasons after this one. So if we aren't planning on moving him this off season and the stated goal of the team is to be taken as the truth... fuck yes we trade away our entire future to give this team a legit chance to win a championship with Dame. One fucking championship with Dame would be worth a painful period of scraping by after his talent is gone. I know if I could trade being shitty from 2026 to 2030 for one championship or even a couple championship appearances I would in a heartbeat.
Portland could be guaranteeing a top-10 pick, maybe even higher, with the resultant lottery odds (right now they are tied for 10th in the lottery; and they could be 7th or 8th after the 3 game road trip). It would have to be an extremely good trade before the Blazers do that IMO, and I just don't think have have the ancillary assets to leverage a trade like that if the Blazers make any moves I expect lateral talent trades with a little better fit and more length. But no trajectory altering deals. And unless it's a much bigger trade, I think if the Blazers trade Hart they will end up a little worse than they currently are
Yeah, I wouldn't guarantee Chicago the pick unless we are getting Siakam or someone of that level and balancing our roster with player and draft capital movement. That being said, if we're not going out there and getting a guy on that Siakam level along with balancing this roster out, what the fuck are we doing with Dame's prime. There is only one thing for sure, Dame is playing the best ball of his life right now... right fucking now. So right now is the time to try to win with him, if our front office is not lying to us when they state that is the goal of this organization, to win with Dame now.
I don't know how reliable Greg Swartz of B/R is, if this article is all his perception or a collective of info the entire B/R team has gleaned and Swartz was just commissioned with writing up but this article shows that at least someone over at Bleacher Report buys into the idea we will be active over the next nine days or so. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-latest-nba-trade-buzz-ahead-of-2023-deadline
And we're wanting our front office to not lie to us when they guard twisted ankle updates like they're the fucking nuclear launch codes and require team media to spew unicorns and butt sunshine. I hope Dame buys the team some day......
I think there is a huge difference between things like lying about injuries or lying to try to control the day to day media narrative and lying about the overall direction and big picture goals of the organization. Lying about an injury could help the organization, controlling the media narrative could make the day to day easier for people in the organization but lying about where you're trying to go can only cost you your reputation if it becomes obvious that you were lying about it. Telling people white lies to make things a little easier is one thing but telling them you're attempting to head in one direction when you're really not is a lot harder to forgive. If Joe's personal goal is to hold onto his current position from one day to the next and he has no further career aspirations either long term with this organization or in the NBA as a whole, then lying about the intended direction of this franchise would make sense but if he's living for more than just today and has long term plans of further success then it would be a very foolish thing to make the kind of bold statements he has made about the direction he's attempting to steer this team in, while he has no intention of doing so.
No more trading future assets to try and rescue this current roster. Use the pieces available, but we are in this mess in part because of something like 4 1st round picks traded for Cov and Nance, one of which we still owe Chicago. An everyday reminder of how BAD the Valeted One really was.
I disagree and agree with you. No more using first round picks to upgrade role players but using multiple first round picks in one trade to get a legit second star next to Dame is likely the only way the team can fulfill their stated mission to win now with Dame.
