Hart is gone buddy, Grant already turned down a max. So this covers our ass if they are both gone. I’d rather have the 30 mil than Nurk in that situation. Oh and here’s another fact that somehow is lost on you, Nurk fucking sucks.
First, I did not talk about his contract in this thread, I have said before that I think he is a little overpaid for his production, but that it was a reasonable thing to do given the roster Cronin had to work with and it was better to overpay a little than lose him for nothing. But the rest of you argument, I am sorry, makes no sense. His contract which already exists and is known can't be something that will increase his attractiveness without external circumstances. His contract is not going to change if he is traded this deadline or the summer or a year from now. So, I am going to get back to the idea that his trade value is lowest at this point. It might be, but it might be the highest it is as well, especially since he is going to be playing in a system that is not tailored to his strengths. The fact of the matter is that he is not a good fit for this system - so if there is a chance to flip him for someone that fits the system, that's a good idea - since his value is not clearly at it's nadir and is not clearly going to change dramatically if the team waits. Let's face it, we know who Nurk is and what he can do. The changes he made (like the 3P shooting) are on the edges - he is not going to magically become a lightweight, quick, perimeter chasing defender nor is he likely to become a great post scorer.
Thank you for the thoughtful response. I have to call this out because this sort of thing has become unusual here. I am saying that once the cap increases, his peers of similar impact start making more (Turner/Poeltl/etc), a three yr contract for 55 mil for Nurkic will become much more palatable in a trade this summer. I don't think this is an unreasonable thought. This perception of value is always based on external factors because it's about what other teams will give up for him in a market of available centers. If others of similar on court impact make much more, then his value should inevitably increase, no?
It’s really annoying watching all these grown men argue in a trade thread. Someone should make a “argue here” thread.
You are making assumptions again that the situation will make his contract more appealing and certainly, if it is a shorter contract it would likely be more appealing simply because you are not stuck with him for a longer time - and if for some reason the 76ers win it all - having someone big that can bang with Embiid will make it more appealing, but just as likely it could be that he continues to play uninspired basketball, more mobile bigs are available (as always happens when newer younger players get into the league) and the league continues to emphasize perimeter play and spread floor. So, the argument stays the same, I do not see anything obvious that happens that will obviously make him more appealing as a trade target if we keep him until the summer or the next summer. He is, for better or worse, a known commodity and the team's style of play, without a big coaching change, is not likely to change any-time soon. So, if the options are maximize the supporting cast for another fantastic Lillard season or try to maximize the trade value of Nurk, I would choose the first if a trade that helps the team play to Billups system is available.
no offense meant, but I'm going disagree with that 2-small-guards-makes-defense-bad narrative. I think it's about 67% bogus No, it's isn't optimal. But the reality is that in consecutive years, the Blazers, with Dame & CJ starting, ranked 8th & 16th in defense. And CJ was only slightly better than Ant as a defender, maybe. And this was playing for Stotts, who supposedly couldn't coach defense that's not to say that having a different set of starting guards wouldn't impact the defense; it would. If it was Dame and Marcus Smart or Dame and Jrue Holiday, the defense would be better. But there are bigger problems with the defense than just Ant or just Dame (who appears to be playing the best defense of his career this year, especially against size). How good would the defense be with Jaren Jackson and Grant at forwards? How good would the defense be with Grant and OG at forwards? or Grant and Mikal Bridges? how good would the D be with a before-the-severe-broken-leg Nurkic? He's certainly not as mobile and not the rim protector he used to be (but sure, let's give him a 50% raise) to be sure, Portland's biggest structural issue is lack of length and size, and Ant, at least, is part of that. Portland's 2nd best rebounder is a 6'4 SG masquerading as a SF who often guards PF's. That's the symbol of Portland's problems
Problem is he sucks. He sucks at his current contract this season and he will suck at his current contract next season. So ur argument that getting a sucky player when all the better players make more money than him so he’s good value now but still sucks……well that argument kinda sucks. BTW the peers you mentioned are not peers they are superiors. Back to work, have a good one. Go Blazers.
This is obvious that we would all give him up for am upgrade or better fit. Still waiting for that proposal/idea to manifest in this thread. And no, it's unequivocally NOT Kevin Love.
Just because Kevin Love it more overpaid than Nurk, doesn't mean Nurk isn't overpaid. Both can be true. As you know, I don't hate Nurk like many, but there is no doubt the trade market for him and his contract is incredibly small due to the combination of his consistency and length?$amt of his deal.
