So what is it?

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  1. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Appreciate that. You can always butt in, this is an open message board! Plus, you added facts to the conversation, so bonus points there!

    Like many Blazer related podcasts and shows, I gave that one a fair shot, but felt it was lacking in a few important areas, and haven't tuned in a while. I have zero problem with people doing their own thing and I don't wish them to fail, but it also doesn't mean when they share their bad takes there shouldn't be push back.
     
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    Agreed. Lots of conjecture. Where some of the conjecture lacked supporting evidence, I was filling it in with minutes played by previous lottery picks in the last 10 season to see if the story matched the facts. Nothing to do with mind-reading.
     
  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    You seem to forget why the conversation happened in the first place. I said that Stotts was not good at using DJJ's strengths, which was his athleticism, and that because Shaedon is similarly very athletic, Stotts would not have utilized him well.

    You're the one who brought up rookies.
     
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    To use the athletic ability of a player you need ball handlers that can push in the open court or players that can throw lobs. The only one in recent memory that could really push was Hart, so frankly, DJJ was probably used about as much as you could use him. He could not create for himself and to be a lob-threat, the Blazers needed ball handlers that consistently throw these. With Dame and CJ quite often calling their own number - DJJ was used as efficiently as he should have, no disrespect to anyone, but DJJ even with his athletic ability was never an efficient primary scorer, so if the question was let Dame or CJ shoot or run sets to free DJJ... Terry went the right way.

    Now, DJJ, just like Sharpe, would have thrived better in this year's Blazers team, but that's not because of Terry, it's because the roster had Hart and Winslow.

    What we have seen from DJJ is that his TS% has gone up a bit in Chicago, but he plays quite a bit less. The issue, per usual, was roster optimization. The Blazers had to play him a lot more than he deserved to because they did not have any bigger wings - but when they did, they minimized his offensive role as they should have.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Sorry to be snarky.... but if only coaches could like..... tell their players what to do?

    Dame and CJ basically could do whatever they wanted under Stotts. They had no leash. They're smart guys. There's no reason they couldn't throw more lobs.
     
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    I still disagree with that to. DJJ has been marginally productive on 4 different teams, used different ways. DJJ wasn't very good, it didn't have to do with style, use, etc.

    We have no clue how the previous coaching staff would've used Sharpe. DJJ isn't Sharpe, or at least lets hope not.
     
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    Another false narrative with no real evidence to back it up. Have Dame and CJ turned into drastically different players under Billups and Green? Of course not. CJ plays PG due to the roster makeup, so he's naturally going to get more assists, but he's still the same off the bounce pull up player he was in Portland.
     
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    I have zero problem with people pushing back on takes they don't agree with as long as they also give props for ones they think are solid. And I enjoy posters or media types that can roll with that, engage in the conversation and not come across like you just killed their dog. Colin is great at that. Some of what he does can be grating at times, but he specifically has a segment called, "Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong" and he laughs at things he gets completely wrong, or jokingly denies he ever said it....that's fun!
     
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    100% agree. Because of that, I try to point out when people make solid takes. Certainly I have done that with those two. I don't keep track of every handle on this board, but I know I disagree with Nate, Illmatic, and others on plenty of topics, but I also know we agree on plenty of things too. Of course, when I find myself agreeing with @Natebishop3 I get concerned I've gone off the deep end on some topic!

    We ALL get stuff wrong on here and like you said, those who can own it get more respect. If I went back and looked at all the players in the draft I liked and didn't like, it would be further confirmation of how far I am from being qualified to be a good GM!
     
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    Right, because Dame suddenly become a lob monster under Chauncy with multiple high jumpers on the roster including Sharpe, Ant and Keon...



    and this, girls and boys, is how you throw the gauntlet for a snark for snark duel.

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  11. Natebishop3

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    Well, Chauncey is probably a worse coach than Stotts. Dame still can do whatever he wants.
     
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    some things are easier said than done. Thats why writers have it easy! :)

    Im a musician and i can say i can play any scale out there without missing a note, but that doesn't mean i can actually do it with consistent success.
    Lobbing the ball is more like a pass than a shot. so to me the eye test says passing guards will be better at lobbing than shooting guards.
    Adding that up, I'm not sure it would help to have Dame tossing lobs.
    I coole see Dame struggling because he is a sharpshooter. Tossing anything close to the rim means he needs to put the shot aside. Im thinking thats actually fairly hard for him.
     
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    You went off the deep end a long time ago sir!
     
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    that phrase "diving off the deep end"....I've always wondered about that because it's better than diving off the shallow end
     
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    Damn... another thing I have to agree with you on! This sucks
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    We could always revive our debate our on common hyperbolist statements like "we were embarrassed by ______ team."

    :devilwink:
     
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    Grant don't rebound good if he was a small forward.
     
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    The problem with blazers there to busy throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. This been happening for awhile. It's looks like the GM don't have clear picture what kind of team he wants. Other problems they can't get any great players to come here so you can throw that out of the window. If you trade then hopefully you go after guys you really want. Instead looking at our players in contract year we all sudden we need trade or lose them. Basically if your getting players that actually fit and you get rid of them in the off season you basically lost that player that you traded in off anyway. Blazers need to be smarter about what fits on this team. I haven't watch them play to much because of the blackouts for there games in my area. But the last game show me this team is not well coach. Due they don't play together on either side of the ball. You got one or sometimes 2 even looking to score and defensely you got two players actually putting effort to play that end. Majority of these players don't need to be on this team next year. You can't continue make patch work in your signing or trade expect to be successful. They say they have a clear picture what they wanted to do I don't see it not at this time. First to get that you need a owner going to put out bucks and a GM and a coach that has a vision what kind of team they want built.
     
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    Who?
     
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