Trade Idea Realistic trade options for summer of 2023

Something about these trades being proposed that presume we've already moved Dame and are flipping what we got for him is making me sick to my stomach. It's really gross like talking about dividing up your dying relatives shit before they are dead.

Anyway a bunch of these scenarios ignore the VanVleet can and likely will opt out of his current deal. That would make him a sign and trade and not eligible to be flipped in a package (or maybe not at all?). Regardless, I think he could get more than 23M on the free agent market.

 

Sharpe/Barnes/Grant/Bam is a nice mix of age. Only thing missing is a true leader. So maybe getting Lowry would fill that hole.

 

so...you trade Dame because you can't build a contender around him, then you build a non-contender

 

It’s good. I prefer other options over Woods.

 

Sharpe is 19. Barnes is 21. Bam is 25. Grant is 29. That would be the best starting lineup we have had in over a decade.

 

that’s where you lost me.

 

Yes, Barnes, Sharpe, Bam would be a great starting point. I’d feel really good about that with Schmitz involved in the draft as well hypothetically, if you ended up at 5 and 14 in the lottery and hit on Jarace Walker and Grady Dick, you have a very nice young team that could be very good, very quickly. Instead of a one to two year window, you’d expand that to 10 -12

also assets from Nurk and Ant

 

Grant would be ok to keep as well… I guess

 

you have to think that if the trail blazers trade dame lillard, it would be to the team of his choosing (contender), given dame lillard certainly deserves that

surely, two teams that he would have on his list are phila & boston and to be honest, id rather trade him to philly to get tyrese maxey (22) than to boston to get jaylen brown (26), cause im all about tanking for a few seasons

maxey & sharpe are a good ones to build around for the future (weve seen sharpe and maxey is even more proven, kid can really score) and we have this years pick, depending on who we draft (guard, wing, center), that could be three guys to build around and i didnt even mentioned simons, as id like to see him traded him too, but not now, let him build his value for another season and then trade him when hes gonna have 2 years left on his contract

 

Sadly, that list is a 'two of these things aren't like the others.' 8 of those players are MVPs (Joel could get his this year), multiple time MVPs, or finals/multiple time MVPs. Dame and Doncic are the odd ones out. And out of the 10, only Dame and Curry are under 6'7". Only 3 of them are poor defenders. Sadly, Dame qualifies in each of those 'not like the others' groups.

Then there is trading Sharpe + ??? for any of those. Most of them would be available for what Portland would be willing to offer, so we are either gutting the team to put one of them, or a not even as good as those type of player with perhaps the player on that list that is the least likely to lead a team to a championship. Sadly, I just don't see how it is going to work. Dame might be the leader, but he is going to have to likely be the 2nd best overall player on a team for it to win a title. So we have to get someone that can score 25 ppg, is taller and can play defense to cover for our current lack of D backcourt.

I'm just not show who gets that close to done for Portland with what they have, even with a high lottery pick to throw in. Joel might be one, but you would have to gut the team of all it's future for a guy who has averaged 44 games a season for his career. Giannis isn't available, neither is Tatum, no to Kawhi, Brown won't do it, no to KAT, Zion, Ingram nor Bam would do it, which leaves Siakam who can't shoot from '3', but is good at everything else.

There just are very few players available who would be able to do what is needed and cover for what is missing for what would be left.

 

Yeah, but I think the chances would be low that Grant would re-sign if we traded Dame.

 

Christian Wood was fantastic when getting 30 + minutes. It was Billy Goat Kidd who restricted his minutes behind a couple of slappies.

 

Because his defense is beyond awful. Big no to Wood. He doesn't make us better

 

I think that Grant is a little better than Wood, but overall they have a lot of similarities in their game. (both good and bad) One of them is fine, but not both.

 

What is Toronto going to do. Poetl and Trent will be free agents. Probably Van Vleet also. All of them and Siakam talk like they want to return. But they got knocked out in the playin! Wouldn't Toronto do best to just let the free agents go and trade Siakam, keep Barnes and Anunoby?

 

I just know he's played well against the Blazers , and had plenty of points & blocks in the games i've watched. He's a way better defender than Dwight "punchable face " Powell, and Maxi "Pad" Kleber.

 

Wood is bigger . Can shoot as good. And can play center.

 

Even better

 

Maybe he had a bad year on defense.

 

that team could not beat the 2014-15 Blazer team...which is less than a decade ago. In fact, I don't think that team could beat the 2018-19 Blazers. So yeah, you exaggerate. Could that team grow? sure. Could Adebayo leave in 3 years? yes.

is that team a contender? fuck no. And that's the standard so many of you trade-Dame-now people have been using to justify trading Dame. If it's not a contender next season, why bother, right? Could they grow into a contender with good luck and the right series of moves over the next 3-4 years? Maybe. But that could have been said for most teams and very few ever do. And many of those that do end up being imposters. Remember when Miami was supposedly a contender when the season started?

I'm also inclined to challenge people who have called Grant 'overrated-and-soon-to-be-an-albatross-contract' for Portland, turn around and use re-signing him as a reason some version of a post-Dame Blazer team is desirable. Besides that, I think the Blazers would have lots of difficulty re-signing Grant if they trade Dame

but the main reason I oppose that team, other than Sharpe and maybe Barnes (I don't see the all-star potential of Barnes, at all) is that it just look like a treadmill team to me. And the treadmill they would be on is first round exits and poor draft picks...we've seen that movie a lot. Again, I say if Portland trades Dame their best route is to get bad and load up on more top-6 picks over the following 2-3 seasons