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I think you're right. It seems when many people think/talk of Miller it's mainly his great shooting, which some of them critique.
Then they make no mention of his 8.2 rebounds per game, his solid defense, and legit passing skills.

 

At worst? Middleton is an all star and was a #1 option to finish out quite a few games in their title run.

I think Miller's floor is closer to Harrison Barnes.

 

harrison Barnes is not the shooter, passer, or defender miller is.

 

Unless it happened prior to where you cued it up, Fran did not say he has perfect form. He said he has a "pure, repeatable, mechanical, simple, flawless shooting stroke, when open". The when open part is the concern for me and thats related to his shot mechanics which are far from perfect. Miller does a pronounced dip with the ball prior to going up and the release point is in front of his face instead of on top of his head to the side of his shooting hand. The dip results in a slower release and the lower release point makes his J susceptible to being affected by the defender. Perfect form is Klay Thompson's J. Yes Fran said "when it leaves his hand, it always looks like they're going in" which I again would agree with. The issue he's going to have is getting it off.

If his shot mechanics were closer to Klay's, I'd love him as a prospect. Outside shooting is largely about confidence which takes a hit if a shooter isn't sure he's going to be able to cleanly get it off. I suspect the longer quicker defenders every NBA team features will cause him trouble and question whether he's got the quickness & game to take guys off the dribble when they play too much up on him. He's got some work to do if he's going to max out his potential. At the very least he needs to get rid of the preshot dip.

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When Ant came in to the league he showed the ball before going through shooting motion. Still does it at times.

 

Not concerned with Miller's dip the same way I was not concerned with Dame's low release.
But then I am not expecting him to be all-nba.

My question, if we did draft Miller, is what to do with Grant.
Having 2 forwards on the court at the same time weighing in between 200-210 is not "physical" enough. Miller would have to back Grant up IMO at SF and sign a physical rebounder at PF.

 

Barnes is a 39% 3pt shooter from the NBA line over his 11 yr career. As far as passing, the negative ato ratio that Miller has in college is not indicative of his creation ability at the nba level. He's a solid defender in college. I will give you that, but Barnes is no turnstile. Neither player will be lockdown.

My comment was more about Miller's floor being an all star caliber wing. I don't really see that. I see his floor as an average starter who can spot up.

 

If we are bringing in Miller to come off the bench, I'd rather trade down one spot and go for Amen. I thought the whole idea of Miller was that he would make an immediate impact.

 

From everything I have read and my gut tells me Miller is going number two in the draft. We will have to make sense of Scoot and what we do at number 3.

 

I don't think there is one player in the draft (other than Victor) who is ready to start from day 1. But similar to Sharpe, they will be after a year. I don't disagree that Amen could be the right choice though.

 

For what it is worth, Fran said that Miller should put up 18 points per game next season as a rookie. Fran is a fan. Don't know his track record as far as projecting rookies.

 

Should? Regardless of the team he lands on, I’d definitely take the under on that

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Shoots like Bones Hyland.

His form just lends itself to operating more as a PG/SG offensively as far as how he gets his shot. Mainly through ball screens and handoffs (likes the stop behind when teams switch those). A little bit off movement but he seems to like to square himself before he shoots and the overall process is pretty slow so not sure he'll be a guy whose super dynamic or heavily used in off ball screens.

He's going to struggle to get his shot off in self created situations, especially against guys with comparable size and athleticism just like he did in college. We'll see how the develops.

Still can be very effective without that in his game though. His comfort with the ball, grab and go ability, how he sets up ball screens and pacing and vision in pick and roll are all very impressive for his size and age.

 

He seems to show some versatility in his offense in this game, including a monster jam in traffic at the 32-second mark.

 

He looks good here and clearly he's very talented. He's also a very good athlete with a runway.

South Carolina was pretty awful defensively though. Worst in the SEC.

In 19 games vs. Top 50 comp he had an EFG% of 43.2% (38.5% from 2).

He's had some good sequences vs good defenders (ant black) but overall the film didn't look good vs legitimate defenders in ISO / off dribble situations.

Again, he's a very good prospect but I think the numbers and the film make it fair to question the ceiling.

 

I figured someone would try to counter what the video actually showed with some sort of analytics. But IMO it shows he has the ability to do what those stats say he can't do. Whether or not he did it in college (while being the player of the year in the SEC as a freshman) is irrelevant. No one is saying these guys are finished products. The question is can they improve enough to eventually be a starter on a contending team? I think he can be for someone.

 

I don’t think anyone has been banging the Miller drum as hard as I have been, but if Khris Middleton is his floor… that would be extremely impressive.

I think it’ll be harder for Miller to improve his handle the way Middleton has given Miller’s height.

And Miller had an insane mid-range game in high school, but it was really poor in college, so there needs to be some questions answered there.

 

He was also getting progressively better throughout the season until the groin injury..

But they don’t want to talk about that

 

Whatever man. You post a highlight video of his best game vs the worst high major defense he played against and want to poke holes in my argument?

Way to move the goal posts as well. I'm arguing top end ceiling. In the top 3 you're looking for a lead creator or #1 wing scorer traits, especially in a draft as talented up top as this one. Does he have some of those? Clearly. But he's also lacking quite a bit in quite a few of them.



Even in a great game vs a good team, it's pretty clear the areas where excels and where doesn't and how that may affect his ceiling outcomes.

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We both are talking about his ceiling.....are you saying he can't improve on his weaknesses......and thereby has a lower ceiling? I don't think that is true. If he can do certain things against lower competition, then I think it is possible he can improve over the next few years so he can do it against better talent. Every good player in the history of the NBA has needed to improve at something.
It sounds like you are adamant that he can't improve.