Politics 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

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    NEW: I’m proposing the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to help end our nation’s gun violence crisis.

    The American people are sick of Congress’ inaction.

    The 28th will enshrine 4 widely supported gun safety freedoms -- while leaving the 2nd Amendment intact:

    1) Raising the minimum age to purchase a gun to 21

    2) Universal background checks

    3) A reasonable waiting period for gun purchases

    4) Banning the civilian purchase of assault weapons
     
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    What exactly is an assault weapon.
     
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    https://www.britannica.com/technology/assault-rifle

    Nearly all assault rifle sales in the US are completed only after background checks have been completed and very expensive permits have been attained.

    *Edit* Assault rifles are not being used in mass killings either. Or virtually any killings in the US, for that matter...
     
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    A constitutional amendment requires 3/4 of US States to support it.

    3/4 of US States currently support permitless open carry.
     
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    This isnt being sarcastic, im genuinely curious, the link you presented said an AR-15 is an assault rifle. And those have been linked to several mass shootings in just the last 12 months. So Im confused by your edit. Just asking for clarification.
     
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    Whether they are used or not, what’s the justification for having an assault rifle such as an AR-15?
     
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    Seen this same movie several times before...someone who has already developed opinion on a particular topic, scours the net for any links that appear to support their position.

    I think it's safe to say that research should be done before formulating an opinion on topics.


    1. To say or imply assault weapons haven't been used in mass shooting is simply not true.

    2. Using "violent crime rates" as a barometer for mass shootings is skewing the issue because all mass shootings are violent crimes but all violent crimes are not mass shootings.



    I would not be surprised if another barrage of retroactive ill-advised links is on the way or the " I never said..." or "that's not what I meant" defense.
     
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    An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It is a semi automatic sporting rifle between a .22 rodent rifle and a 30-06 Deer Rifle.

    All of which are typically sold as semi automatic. With similar magazines for the purposes of target shooting and hunting. For example, it doesn't make sense to hunt small game with a 30-06 (it's sometimes even illegal) just as it doesn't make sense to hunt deer and elk with a .22 (and is sometimes illegal). On the other hand, you can generally hunt both deer and smaller game with mid sized calibers like .243 and 5.56/.223 (AR)

    Also, the AR platform is fantastic for hunting wild hogs when chambered in a larger caliber.

    Can you please explain to me what is different about an AR-15 (5.56/.223) that would make somebody consider it more dangerous than a 30-06, 30-30, .270, or .243? The rifles themselves all have exactly the same functionality. All available in semiautomatic. A single trigger pull fires a single round.

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    You mean supporting a position with evidence? I didn't realize that was frowned upon...

    I've done a ton of research. That's how I form my opinions. I don't have strong opinions about things I've not researched.

    Link please? Please show me a link to a mass shooting using an unmodified and legally purchased gun with semi automatic and fully automatic capability. (It's already illegal to modify guns to be fully automatic, so that's a different discussion)

    I'll wait.

    Violent crime rates wasn't used a barometer for gun deaths. The point is that the tool isn't the problem. People hurt each other when they want to. Removing a tool doesn't make a place safer or less violent.


    Can you explain the physical difference between a legaly purchased (which means semiautomatic) AR-15 and a legally purchased Remington hunting rifle? What makes them different?
     
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    Not as legally available in the US. You can't sell or buy an automatic AR-15 (or any gun) in the US without an expensive permit and extensive background check from the ATF. Very few people do this besides extreme collectors. It has been illegal to buy or sell fully automatic guns for nearly a century.

    The AR-15 you can buy is semi-automatic and not capable of fully automatic fire (this means it is not an assault rifle).

    To be clear. The AR15 people can buy have exactly the same functionality as any other type of hunting rifle you can buy in any caliber or brand.
     
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    Exactly. This is what Americans want and what America needs.

    paragraphs and paragraphs don’t change the reality
     
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    Nope. It's a soundbite that dupes people into thinking it will make a difference.
     
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    nope. It’s a proposed amendment that is WIDELY popular.

    The NRA and paranoid gun nuts have duped people into thinking it won’t make any difference
     
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    Just an update.... had an amazing evening last night at my daughter's graduation at Providence Park....just wanted to let you all know nobody was gun down and murdered.
     
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