We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

Bridges age is still somewhat of a concern, but he's at least closer to the younger timeline than Siakam. 2 years and... what... 4 months(?) younger is still quite a bit of NBA mileage.

 

I think the biggest issue with Bridges is simply that they JUST acquired him. The sticker is still on the window of the car, as it were.

 

Yeah, but Brooklyn is really screwed right now. They have no picks, they're not good enough to win, and Bridges really isn't a #1. So what do they do? They can move Bridges for Scoot and start over. Hope he turns into a superstar. Maybe it costs #3 and Ant and that's two young players who can score and create excitement. Eventually Simmons comes off their books and they have guys on rookie contracts. They can try to sign a star to play in NY like they did with Durant and Kyrie.

 

I don’t get why his age is that big of an issue…30 isn’t that old.
Contract yeah maybe…but he is actually an all nba player. Very talented playmaker at his position. Would really open up the offense

 

30 means he isn't at all part of the young timeline. So if we decide to blow it up in a few years and build around Shaedon, we would have to move Siakam and his big extension as well.

 

mid were trading simons and #3….we don’t really have a young timeline. We’d have guys around the same age plus sharpe. So are you in the rebuild camp?

 

I would tend to lean towards the rebuild camp if we can't realistically put a contender around Dame. I'm not going to be happy if we trade 3 for a mediocre player.

 

would you rather have siakam or Ingram?

 

He needs to turn 3, Ant, Nurk and filler into Carter jr and a forward. Then turn Grant into the other forward

 

If we are keeping Dame then there can be two timelines. Dame, Siakam, and Grant can be one. You then have 4 years to add players who fit Sharpe's timeline. And if we want to blow it up in a couple of years then you have Siakam and Dame to get picks for youth.

Siakam will still be 29 until April.

 

100% Siakam

 

Hmmm that's tough. Ingram is the better scorer. Siakam rebounds better. He's also much much healthier. My concern about Ingram is his ability to stay healthy. Ingram is younger (25 compared to 29) and he's under contract until 2024-2025, while Siakam is a free agent after next season.



Siakam just seems to be a much better player if you look at the advanced stats.



Ingram just can't stay healthy the past couple years.



2019-2020 was 72 games (he played in 86%)
2020-2021 was 72 games (he played in 84.7%)
2021-2022 was 82 games (he played in 67%)
2022-2023 was 82 games (he played in 54.8%)

Here is Siakam's games played


2019-2020 was 72 games (he played in 83%)
2020-2021 was 72 games (he played in 77.7%)
2021-2022 was 82 games (he played in 83%)
2022-2023 was 82 games (he played in 86.5%)

 

I much prefer Siakam. Not worried about the age so much as the $$

 

siakam has far more game than bridges. his rebounding and playmaking are also sorely needed on this team.

 

I really like Siakam's fit at forward next to Jerami it's just that his salary is going to take a lot to match and then he's a free agent so that's a huge gamble. God, how fucking horrible would it be to trade the third pick for someone who played for your team for one season and then bolted.

 

Curious why you like the fit? Grant is a 4, just like Siakam. Grant can’t guard 3’s, so how is that a good fit? Both think score first, although Siakam is a good defender

 

Did he guard that many 3's last year? I think there are a lot of them that he matches up better than most Maybe taller ones like himself. Plus he is a good help defender around the rim. For the smaller quicker SFs maybe Thybulle gets extra minutes? But on offense, I think they would a great pair. Grant is excellent at spreading the floor and Siakam is good at creating his own shot.

 

From what I’ve seen of Grant, his size, length and quickness give him an advantage vs. 4’s on O. He can switch on D against many 1’s and 2’s for a time, same as some 5’s in small ball, but that’s limited and should be. He’s a forward. He seems better at 4 but at 3 he would provide significant value to the team. Getting Bridges, Brown, or OG fits better, but Siakam at 4 is still a big improvement over anyone going back to LMA’s exit. IMHO.

 

how did you arrive at that? Grant is not a good defender, but he's not bad either. More like mediocre. He did as well this season guarding 3's as 4's from what I saw.

the last time Grant split his time at SF and PF was 2020-21. At 82games they credited him with SG minutes:



if you go by PER and eFG%, he did his best defensive work at SF

obviously, defensive stats are all really noisy, so eyeball test is probably as good a gauge as any stats
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but more than that, I really don't see any difference any more between PF & SF; or most SG's for that matter. They are all wings, and Grant is a wing too

Denver just won the championship with Gordon and Porter at forwards. I think Siakam & Grant are a good matchup for those guys and I don't see Grant being at any disadvantage against Porter. Kawhi & PG13? Harrison Barnes & Keegan Murray? Kevin Durant and Josh Okogie? Draymond & Andrew Wiggins? Lebron and Vanderbilt? I'm just not seeing the mismatches for Grant you apparently see.

 

This is where I call bullshit, sorry. Portland would be balls deep in the Dame/Siakam/Grant timeline to such a degree everyone will be clamoring for just one more trade, then another, and another. Then the picks are gone, the vets are old and the payroll is bloated and the vets will have negative trade value. The team will be stuck with no picks to support Sharpe. Sharpe will then be in a Dame Groundhog Day setting of his own. You can only do one timeline because failure of one will necessitate the abandonment of the other timeline.