Trade Idea Dame Trade Ideas

The two-timeline theory is not asinine at all. Good young talent and good older vets will work just fine....if you have quality players for each. Hell, even 3 timelines make sense. (4 in their 30s, 5 in their mid 20's and 5 "youngins") I am not sure why fans are so obsessed with one timeline.

 

what I'm saying is that if Portland trades Dame and does the smart thing, which is trade Ant-Nurkic-Grant, the chances of the Blazers making it back to the playoffs by 2026 are so small it's not realistic or reasonable to sell the rebuild with that kind of expectation...which is what people are doing

 

I don't necessarily think we would be back that fast because Scoot and Shae are so young. Buuuuuuut you can't say there isn't precedent. Roy and LMA got us back real fast... but I think the team had better veterans. I wish we had Prz.

 

Yeah it might seem a lot less foolish if the two most valuable pieces weren't point guards and if I hadn't had to endure seven or eight seasons straight with Dame having to share the back court with guys his size. None of it matters because Dame was no selling the two timelines thing last we heard. Now the team isn't hearing anything from him and is only hearing from his agent.

There is a difference between having guys developing, having the majority of your value in mid 20s vets and older vets and what we're doing. Our most valuable player arguably is Dame at soon to be 33, next most valuable 20 year old Scoot, next 20 year old Shaedon, next 29 year old Jerami, there is a lack of balance here and we still don't have enough size off the bench.

Sure work can be done that I don't foresee, I'm wrong a lot. I just think taking guys with all three picks, sounding very excited to keep all three and what Dame had to say before the draft all add up to Dame asking out and being gone before free agency starts... now that we know that Dame was only trade restricted for 6 months not 12.

 

Rebuilds do take time. I like it for us because it gives us a light at the end of the tunnel instead of year after year of purgatory.

Absolutely see both sides

 

People act as if a rebuild would be hard to watch. The last two years have been hard to watch. Let's moves forward and not look back. Nothing to lose.

 

I think he's talking about Scoot, not Dame.

 

What we have now in the way of young talent is exactly because of the ugly last two years. There’s no need for more intentional tanking. In all likelihood, the games next season will be a lot more fun if we add the young talent to a veteran core around Dame and Grant than if we go full youth movement.

 

Ahhh I don't see it that way at all. I see the last two years repeating itself if we try it again. I thought last season was the season to enjoy with Grant and such, but nope. I hope you are right and understand your belief system, but I just see more of the same. Now if we can pick up a top 5 stop at F or C, then I might by into it. But Portland has not given me any hope in believing that will/can happen.

 

There's a limited number of teams that make sense. If you believe the reports, we won't trade him to a western conference team.

Milwaukee - I'm sure he'd like to go there.
Boston - report is that he wants nothing to do with Boston
Philly - meh assets
Cleveland - doesn't make sense. They have guards.
New York - meh assets. have a point guard.
Brooklyn - decent trade partner
Atlanta - doesn't make sense.
Miami - crap assets
Chicago - doesn't make sense. They should blow it up.
Toronto - I like their roster the best, but Ujiri is an asshole.
Indiana - doesn't make sense.
Washington - rebuilding
Orlando - probably too young to capitalize on Dame's prime.
Charlotte - already have a point guard.
Detroit - rebuilding

So of those teams, we probably have:
Milwaukee - no young players. no picks
Philly - Maxey doesn't make sense with Scoot. I think the only pick they could trade would be 2029. Brooklyn has their picks.
Brooklyn - probably the best assets overall
Miami - no assets, no good young players
Toronto - good young players, good picks but douche GM

So of THOSE teams we probably have:
Brooklyn
Toronto
Miami

Toronto - I actually like the Raptors, but I don't think we would get it done because Ujiri would want to try to fleece us. Not even sure if they really want to try to make another go with Siakam and OG.

Brooklyn - they have the most picks to offer. They have some young guys and expiring deals. Nothing super exciting though. Not really sure how they're better off than us, even with Dame.

Miami - the worst deal, unless they can find a taker for Herro.

I think ideally, I'd do



We clear Dame's salary in a year. We get a young center who can start right away. We get a ton of draft capital. Then I'd be looking to see what I could get for Simons/Nurk.

 

Incorrect, the Thunder were in a game 7 four years ago.

 

I thought Miami had 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 picks all available.... I believe there was an OKC pick possibly owed at some point on one of those years but Miami got that back in a latter trade by removing early year protections.

If they had a 2025 pick (doesn't have to be their own) then they would be free to trade 2026 2028 2030 picks all unprotected and unprotected swaps in 2027 2029.

Now there are many other teams such as the Nets with better draft equity, but the Heat do have significant value they can still give up.

 

Well sure if you count all the years before Roy and all the years after Roy as one rebuild. I'd consider those two completely different rebuilds. The first one would've worked great if humans didn't have knees.

 

Yeah a rebuilding coach needs to develop talent and minimize the long rerm losing habits as much as possible even if the team losses. Wins don't really matter. Can get a different coach when the franchise is ready to go hard for wins.

 

you're right...but that's also the year when they had Chris Paul, Steven Adams, Schroeder, and Gallinari...several experienced veterans. So it has no bearing on this discussion and no bearing on rebuilds, except the part about tearing it down. Once those veterans left, OKC became a lottery team

Their 2025 and 2026 are encumbered to OKC. Lottery protected in 2025 and unprotected in 2026. So they can't trade their 2024 or 2027 first's because of Stepian rule. 2028 is the first free first they have to trade. They could swap 2024 and/or 2027, but of course, Portland can't because of Chicago's hold on Portland's first's. Besides, I think swaps are significantly overrated assets; window dressing. For example, New Orleans had the right to swap first's with the Lakers this year, and it had no value at all. That swap is gone now

yes...that's pretty much what I'm saying...rebuilds offer no guarantees and often go off the rails and never get back on track. Doesn't take much and bad knees are part of the game. The Roy/Oden period of the rebuild was a failure. That Blazer 10 year rebuild wasn't really a success until the Blazers drafted Dame and added Lopez the next season

 

I posted this in another thread but it may be more appropriate here;

Aside from the Dame sentimentality, there has been a lot of discussion of Portland doing a rebuild sans Dame, and how long they would suck before contending. Many say 5-10 years. In back to back drafts Portland has picked up Sharpe, Scoot, Murray and Rupert. Most have a good feel that Sharpe and Scoot will be very good players for many years. Murray/Rupert, no idea. In;

2006-2007 Seattle was 31-51. Drafted Durant at 2
2007-2008 Seattle was 20-62 with rookie Durant
2008-2009 OKC was 23-59 with 2nd year player Durant, and adding Westbrook with the 4th pick and Ibaka with the 24th.
2009-2010 OKC was 50-32 with third year player Durant, second year players Westbrook and Ibaka and adding rookie Harden with pick 3.

That was a three draft rebuild. They key is to identify the right players. Hitting on them and getting lucky with a 24th pick too. Does Portland have their Westbrook and Harden in the form of Scoot/Sharpe. Might Portland get lucky with a Murray/Rupert? SEA/OKC changed their fortunes in three drafts. Portland is two drafts in without ever really declaring a rebuild. Yes, they do not have a Durant, but who is to say Scoot or Sharpe will not reach that level. If Portland goes full rebuild they would have another high lottery pick next year as well to add a key piece. If they do not commit to a full rebuild Portland has their Durant, he just happens to be a PG. Point being, if Schmitz is doing his job, Portland can find parallels to what SEA/OKC did. Is it pie in the sky stuff? Maybe. But it is a road map. Just draft good players.

 

https://clutchpoints.com/blazers-trade-after-make-scoot-henderson-kris-murray-2023-nba-draft

1 Blazers trade to make after taking Scoot Henderson, Kris Murray in 2023 NBA Draft

Blazers receive: Paul George, Bones Hyland, Duncan Robinson, Nikola Jovic, 2027 first-round pick (via Heat)

Clippers receive: Tyler Herro, Anfernee Simons, Haywood Highsmith

Heat receive: Damian Lillard, Marcus Morris Sr.

 

Wtf

 

That makes no sense.