Here is a visualization of how much draft equity the Blazer could do if Cronin is able to negotiate this trade very well. Flip Caleb Martin to the Mavericks for their 2027 pick unprotected as well as a 2030 swap unprotected with them. Dallas is desperate to contend with Luka so they'd certainly consider it as Martin might be their 2nd/3rd best starter. Blazers compensation is a legit HAUL and I'll rank in terms of value picks, swaps, 2nds; 2030 unprotected first from Miami 2028 unprotected first from Miami 2027 unprotected first from Phoenix 2027 unprotected first from Dallas 2024 unprotected first from Miami 2027 swap where the Blazers keep the best picks Two or likely THREE of Miami/Phoenix/Dallas/Portland picks and the Heat keep the worst 2029 swap where the Blazers keep the best of Miami/Portland 2030 swap where the Blazers keep the best of Dallas/Portland 2030 2nd round pick 2029 2nd round pick 2026 2nd round pick
Nurk fits in one of their TPEs so he’s gone, and we can just trade for Capela who makes $20m the next two years for 2nds. I wouldn’t mind that at all. Capela is a decent fill-in while we find a long-term replacement at C.
I think there are likely multiple offers from the Heat on the board with at least one other team. I would imagine that Joe is trying to find better offers that he can use to leverage Riley to give more... maybe not more directly to us but more to a third or fourth team who has the type of assets we would want.
Yeah, I just worry that Claxton will leave or we will have to give him a deal that is very painful for our team to keep him.
Plus Claxton has a ton of value for a team trying to win immediately this year, while the Blazers are not. I'd rather try to get some of those Phoenix draft picks Brooklyn has than Claxton. Even if we can resign him he may have a Grant type of contract in a year screwing up our cap until 2029.
The way I see it, Claxton is going to be making a TON of money next summer. Not only that, he’s UFA, and I have no faith in us retaining an UFA unless it’s close to max. The way I see it, if we could get Whitehead and Clowney instead of Claxton, do it. Clowney looks like he could be a version if Claxton one day, and Whitehead was considered a can’t miss prospect before the injuries and he can really shoot it. Both guys could be major fits next to Scoot if they become consistent shooters. Whitehead is a better prospect than Whitemore despite the injuries imo. Brooklyn is going to want to compete. The way I see it, the Nets being semi-competitive weakens the picks going back to the Rockets, whose fans are always annoying when they’re good.
I really don't think it has to be. He can free up their 2024 pick pretty easily by sending a couple of second rounders to OKC and just giving them the 2026 pick instead of the lotto 2025 pick that would turn into 2026 if it fell in the lotto. That's three FRPs coming from them. I think there has to be a team in the league that values Herro at two FRPs. I think Martin is probably valued at around a FRP. I don't even think we need six first round picks to make it a good return for Dame especially if someone takes Nurk off of our hands and if we're getting back promising young talent like any combo of Jaquez, Jovic, Clowney, Whitehead or players like them.
god these Heat fans can go fuck themselves. They think just because they have Riley and Cronin is a new GM they cam fleece us and that we have no choice but to trade Dame to Miami and accept their garbage offer. Pls Joe for the love of god don't mess this up
It's true we could honestly play Orlando Robinson at C this upcoming season or see how Ben Simmons would work at that position if that's the route we choose to go (taking on his case). That's the beauty of where we are now at since Dame asked out. Before it made no sense when Cronin said that we were just in asset acquisition mode since the Summer before Joe took over all Dame could talk about was urgency but now all we are in is asset acquisition and evaluation mode. So we get as many assets as we can, we evaluate the talent we have and we have time (years) to figure this shit out. It's kind of why I think Joe did Dame dirty and was really trying to force Dame to ask out but that's in the past now and I want Joe to do the best job possible because I don't see anyone taking his position in the near future. So... Go Joe!!!
It's just like Lakers fans. I'm sure there are a ton of reasonable fans that understand that if they get Dame that they will only do so by giving up all of the expendable value they have (Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, possibly Martin, up to three FRPs and a big expiring contract from Lowry). I really do think that Riley will orchestrate a good deal for Dame with multiple teams, not a great one that has us talking about Joe the way we talked about KP after the 2006 draft but one where we won't be immediately calling for his head. Joe just has to get enough good offers from other teams to pull that good offer out of Riley.
Thanks for the visualization. That really is a haul, and I’d be seriously impressed if Cronin could pull this off. I’d really prefer Clowney over Jaquez though, I think he’s a better fit for the team. I think we always have the ammo to land Capela by moving Simmons to a team like the Wizards, and Clowney could get a good 10-12mpg at backup C with Badji getting the last 10mpg at C. Otherwise, yeah love this package. Ant and Grant could command picks as well as other young players and expirings. We really could have the ammo to trade for a great star that asks out starting summer 2025, or cap space to sign Ingram (or valuable vets like PG or Jrue on short term deals). Dame has a player option in 26-27. That, plus the possibly high 1st rounders coming in every year, we could be set up for success for a long time. My ultimate dream ending would be Dame coming back and winning one here with Scoot and Sharpe + vets he would benefit playing with even if it’s an old PG or Holiday + whatever other young guys we’ve kept + continuous young talent coming in every year.
I'm sure that's what you're hearing, I have not doubt those talks are the farthest and I think there's probably some percentage of Cronin that wants to accommodate Dame. But it does feel like every day this thing doesn't get done, it gets a little farther from likely. Just my perception. With the way you've been dropping hints, your comment could very well mean that a deal is done and waiting for something to be announced...
Another benefit of getting the Heats picks and swaps is if we ever did want to trade back for Dame is the Heat would have a huge incentive to negotiate with us first, especially if they want to consider rebuilding. Now I do think the bridge has been burned for Dame to just return next season, it's time for both parties to part ways. But it's certainly possibly both parties decide to reunite one day in a number of years with some parallels to LeBron going back to Cleveland and winning a title.
I thought it looked like most sub reddits. You had a few people spouting off nonsense and other people (still Heat fans) calling them out on it. One guy said that if they weren't willing to give up everything outside of Jimmy, Bam and the guys they signed in free agency then they aren't serious about getting a guy like Dame.
