Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors

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  1. PCmor7

    PCmor7 Generational Poster

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    Why not use Claxton as this season's Josh Hart? Get a half-year out of him and trade him.
     
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    I think his value is higher when he’s on a team trying to win. Claxton might command two 1sts right now. I seriously doubt Claxton goes for that much at the deadline being stuck on the Blazers.
     
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    I really hope there's some way to buy low on Jarret Allen, I just can't figure out how Cleveland would figure into any of this. I'd settle for Deandre Ayton at this point as well. Time to gamble on upside, we don't have financial constraints (with Dame gone) and he can have all the shots with us that he wants. Not sure what Phoenix would want though.
     
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    You wouldn't have to. You're getting him as part of the Lillard trade. It's already paid for. Anything you get back for him is profit. Even if it's a Josh Reddick and a late first.
     
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    You do realize if you take Claxton instead of 2 rookies or 2 1sts and trade him at the deadline for Reddick and a late 1st, that’s a loss right?
     
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    You decided to make a rare visit to our forum just to be a smart ass?
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I mean he’s right. The Dame stans are all over Cronin because he couldn’t make a trade appear out of nowhere.
     
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    A lot will depend on how he does in the playoffs. If he gets ran off the floor again, his value definitely decreases. Grant would be a perfect fit with Garland, Mitchell, and Mobley.

    I just don’t see Ayton as a guy that will accept his role and contribute. If he’s demanding more touches on a contender, I can only imagine how many touches he’ll want on a teach with mostly rookies and sophomores. No thanks on Ayton.
     
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    I was just looking at his second sentence. "Im under the impression from the NBA fans on the internet that making trades happen is super easy." I thought could be referring to some of us when we dream up trades. I think most of us know it's not easy.
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    The idea of Jovic is more intriguing the more I observe him. Always seems to make the right secondary play. Can shoot the ball like crazy. Pretty much 6’11 in shoes and isn’t too skinny, more out of shape.

    Jovic has the size to be a legit PF or small ball C in the league to me. I’m talking a version of Ingles, Bogdanovic, Diaw, or Sengun.

    But if he decided to become more agile and handle the ball more, I could see him being a Wagner or Giddey kind of player.

    Not sure if he’s ever be good enough to start. But with his ability to make the right reads and shoot the ball, he’s a perfect fit with Scoot.
     
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    Yeah, I can't think of a better fit at C than Claxton. He's only 24, but he's already proven to be exactly what we need. Very good defender that can block shots and quick enough to switch onto guards and not be a Matador. I'd also love to have Clowney. He actually looks like a PF clone of Claxton, but with a good looking shot. I just hope Cronin is as smart as me.
     
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    Not much of a defender at all. We’ll see if he can learn.
     
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    I don't think the Dame FANs thought that Cronin would make a trade out of nowhere. I think that we thought he was armed with the number 3 and 23 pick in a highly rated draft, according to Joe easily reattainable FRPs in 2026, 28 and 30 along with anywhere between 38 and 41M in salaries just from Ant and Nurk alone.

    The idea that a trade or trades couldn't be made to appease Dame is nonsense. Cronin himself said in a presser following this past trade deadline that he would push all of his chips in and get a competitive, win now roster around Dame even if it meant some people thinking that we overpaid (his fucking words).

    I don't know if it was before or after he drafted Scoot but all signs indicate that before that pick was ever made Joe planned on making Dame ask for a trade by saying one thing and doing the opposite time and time again because Cronin didn't want to look like the bad guy for wanting to trade Dame so he did everything he could to make Dame ask out and be the bad guy.
     
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    Boy did I get a bit too excited.
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    To piggyback on the Claxton talk. Every year I look at areas the Blazers need to improve. I go through stats and look for players that fit those needs. There ends up being a couple fits at different positions that I become enamored by. This year has been Claxton at C. I could be overrating him because I like the fit and now I am gassed up. Or maybe last year was a fluke. Or he doesn't translate to the Blazers, but I'd rather trade and see. Or even extend him as a show of good faith. Risky, I know

    Why?

    -Defends at 3 levels

    -Can defend 1-5. BKN switched a lot this year

    -3rd in DPOY voting amongst centers. In front of Allen

    -4th in the league in opponent FG % within 6ft

    -8th in the league in defending 2pt FG

    -lead the league in number of times per game defending iso 2.7Fg 0.79ppp 36.2fg% 78.7 percentile

    -Defends the 3 at 34%. This is on 4 FG attempts per game Interestingly Dame, Grant and Nurk were at 37.9, 38.6 and 38.5 respectively. Simons 32.5 on 4.5 FG, strange

    -2nd in blocks. Many of them live ball TO. Est over 70%. I watched all his blocks this year, should have counted live ball but didn't

    -Was 4th in Def win share at 4, according to BBref

    -Looks like a good help defender

    -lead the league in FG% at .705

    -90th percentile in the pick an roll as the role man

    -Is good at cutting. could be better at finishing but not bad 3.2fg 1.32 ppp 51.9 percentile bam 32.6 Ayton 44.5

    -good rebounder

    -Showing some signs of being able to dribble and drive

    -A bit of a mean streak

    -Looks like he has solid hands. But I haven't watched full games

    -Plays well in transition. Looks good running the floor 1.5Fg 1.38ppp 80.0fg% 88.9 percentile

    -Pretty low turnover rate

    -Low usg, but impacts the game doing things the blazers are missing

    -Seems like a high motor guy, pretty fluid, but highlight video. Who knows

    -Played 76 games last year

    Watched a video of him talking about working on a jumper. He knows he can't rely solely on athleticism for his whole career. In the same video talked about liking being the point of attack defender

    Downsides I have seen so far-

    -FT shooting is bad.

    -Gets in foul trouble by being too aggressive

    -Can get bulled by bigger Centers. Doesn't handle defending the post well. Luckily not as many of those around, but still Jokić and Embid

    -Not great in defending the pick and roll around 11% percentile. But Simmons is in 98% . Neither defends it a lot, both .7 pos a game

    Probably more issues that I haven't seen yet

    The one area I'd like to know more on is pick setting and navigating

    Overall, he fits the timeline and has experience. Center is an area where I think the Blazers should spend capital to make sure you a have a good prospect who is well on their way

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    It would be better to have Claxton go to a third team or stay with Brooklyn and pick(s) go to Portland. Blazers don't need the immediate benefit of Claxton helping a contender win next season. They'd be better off with a long term asset like a pick(s).
     
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    Claxton if great but he'll likely get a Grant like contract next summer. If the Nets want to give him to Portland for cheap of course do it. I just find that extremely unlikely and would prefer a pick or two instead.
     
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    Heat can't do this deal as teams have to be around the luxury tax to acquire a player in a sign and trade like Grant. Heat are far into the tax.

    Grant also can't get a 5th year in a sign and trade.
     
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    Claxton is great but that's why he'd cost a lot in a trade. Would you prefer him for 1 year or two great first round picks?
     
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