This seems to be the main point of debate. I have been listening to any and all podcasts I can get my hands on over the past week or so. Lowe and Hollinger think the Heat trade is fair. Dame is almost 33. He's owed A LOT of money. He's a score-first point guard who doesn't play defense. That's the perception of Dame around the league. He's an amazing scorer, but he has his warts. Stealing this part from @inconceivable Cleveland get: Donovan Mitchell Jazz get: Lauri Markkanen Collin Sexton Ochai Agbaji 3 unprotected FRPs (25, 27, and 29) 2 pick swaps (26 and 28) ------------ Suns get: Kevin Durant TJ Warren Nets get: Mikal Bridges Cameron Johnson Juan Pablo Vaulet 2023 first-round pick (fr Phoenix) 2025 first-round pick (fr Phoenix) 2027 first-round pick (fr Phoenix) 2028 first-round pick swap (fr Phoenix) 2028 second-round pick (fr Milwaukee) 2029 first-round pick (fr Phoenix 2029 second-round pick (fr Milwaukee) Bucks get: Jae Crowder Pacers get: George Hill Serge Ibaka Jordan Nwora 3 future 2nd-round picks (fr Milwaukee) Cash considerations (from Brooklyn) --------- Timberwolves get: Rudy Gobert Jazz get: Malik Beasley Patrick Beverley Leandro Bolmaro Walker Kessler (22nd pick in '22 Draft) Jarred Vanderbilt 2023 first-round pick 2025 first-round pick 2026 pick swap 2027 first-round pick 2029 first-round pick I don't think we can use the Gobert trade as any kind of template. Just throw that one out. I also don't think we can use the Durant trade. Dame is amazing but he's not Durant. I think the Mitchell trade is fair. But how does the Miami offer compare to that Cleveland deal? Markkanen was pretty mediocre in Cleveland. 15 ppg and 6 rebounds per game? That's the center of the trade? Lauri Markkanen = ??? Collin Sexton = Tyler Herro Ochai Agbaji = garbage player 3 unprotected FRPs (25, 27, and 29) 2 pick swaps (26 and 28) So really all we're missing from the Miami trade is a player comparable to Markkanen. If we get Ben Simmons, is that basically a similar reclamation project?
Obviously you're not a capitalist, or you'd believe that Dame's value just is what you can get for him.
Fentress said on his pod: 4 firsts One good young player Not exactly sure where that good young player is going to come from.
I say the Blazers advise Dame’s agent that no trade proposal from Miami meets team requirements. Also advise Dame to show up to camp. He wants to sit out? Don’t pay him his $700,000. per game! He’s acting like a spoiled brat whose loyal head got a little too big of late. Half Dolla Dame
That's not enough. We can do much better than that. The Heat needs Dame more than we need to trade Dame. In fact, we don't have to. What's Dame gunna do if we don't trade him? How's Joe gunna look like if he trade Dame for what Fentress is talking about?
That Jazz/timberwolves trade may be the worst one I've ever seen. Good god. Just seeing it in print, how does any rational person sign off on that?
Right now what Miami is offering does not include a good young player. Jovic and Jaquez are projects, at best. Jaquez might be one of those blue collar role players but he's not even really a starter.
wut? you're saying Portland can do better than 4 first round picks and one good young player? how and with which team?
I think the aggravation and damage he's been trying to do to the Blazers out of pure immaturity has driven up what the Heat should compensate the Blazers. For other teams, I'd even be willing to give them a minor discount at this point.
It almost sounds flippant to say that, but it’s true. I would never have imagined that Gobert would have brought the Jazz the haul that it did last summer. As it’s turned out, it’s too bad Cronin didn’t make the move last year before Dame’s extension. The market was crazy, Dame was a year younger, and the receiving team could have worked out his contract on their own. It’s safe to say that the return would have been much greater than the Blazers will get this season. But, we’re about to find out what the market value is in the next few weeks.
If you mean, what will another team give up to get Dame, then that depends on each team. Detroit might give up a lot to get him. I don't understand why people think the team getting Dame needs to be some kind of contender for them to want him. Detroit has had one winning season since 2007 2008. Look at Sacramento. Their goal was to just make the playoffs. For Detroit to make the playoffs would be just as huge as it was for Sacramento. so, although it seems almost everybody would disagree, I think Dames value is quite high, If you again calculate that value as what a team will give up that is important to Portland. and forget about Detroit in particular. I am talking about a team that people consider a non-contender. unless Miami is willing to trade Butler or Adebayo, Dame's value is low in a trade with them, even though they seem to want him badly. the value of a Picasso isn't what I would be able to pay for it.
