Politics Portland is one of the fastest shrinking cities in the USA

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  1. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Maybe when "aggressive" is applied. Three ordinances in our area were overturned (Tampa 2016 and again in 2021), but they just changed the laws to be "aggressive" or "blocking roadways or arterials." You can't do it near ATMs, for instance, and while you can stand on an intersection, you can't walk through the lanes like people used to do. AFAIK, those are still in effect.
     
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    Then you charge them using laws like menacing, harassment, or theft. Trying to outlaw aggressive free speech would be far too subjective.
     
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    Not arguing the point. Just saying what happened/is happening here, and the effect, and that I don't know that what the gov't in your OP is trying to do will do what they're trying to get done.

    Here's an article on one example of ordinances put in place after the 2021 one was overturned. They're calling it a traffic safety issue.
    https://www.fox13news.com/news/panhandlers-drivers-in-pasco-county-subject-to-fines-under-new-law
     
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    You might like this thread. The dude is a trip.

    http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/the-civil-rights-lawyer.380369/
     
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    9th circuit. Several times. They just refused to hear it again last week.

    In their jurisdiction you can not prevent people from sleeping in public spaces unless you can provide them with adequate shelter.

    No, the rates here are terrible, though we have passed funding bills with more than enough money to change that.

    What these clinics are trying to do is lessen the public burden by keeping these people as healthy as possible (prevention the spread of communicable diseases), as well as keeping clinics in their minds for when they do need help. Seems pretty worthwhile to me...

    I can't think of a down side. So I was just wondering if I was missing one.
     
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    Multnomah County Will Distribute Tin Foil and Straws to Fentanyl Smokers
    It’s similar to other “harm reduction” efforts nationwide.

    The Multnomah County Health Department will begin distributing tin foil and straws this month to fentanyl smokers at sites across Portland, WW has learned.

    The “smoking supplies,” which also include glass pipes for smoking meth and crack as well as “snorting kits,” are part of a national effort to minimize the health consequences of drug use. Smoking is considered by many health experts a safer way of consuming hard drugs than injection, and government officials are now seeking to encourage users who haven’t already switched to do so—and to make it safer for those who already have.

    The Oregon Legislature just passed a bill decriminalizing the distribution of “drug paraphernalia” for harm reduction purposes, although it awaits Gov. Tina Kotek’s signature. There are similar programs in other states, including Washington and California. New York City recently installed a vending machine with smoking kits, including bubble pipes.

    Yet the decision to distribute smoking supplies arrives as many officials and Portland residents are exhausted by open drug use on city streets. Fentanyl, which is most commonly smoked, is now the drug of choice, and it’s difficult to walk downtown without passing someone in a stoop with a torch and a piece of tinfoil.



    The policy is brand new. Multnomah County confirmed it Thursday afternoon after WW inquired. Spokeswoman Sarah Dean noted that the rise of fentanyl, which is commonly smoked and not injected, has decreased demand for the county’s “harm reduction” services. Visits to clinics have dropped by more than 60% since 2019.

    Heroin, the opioid of choice on Portland’s streets only a few years ago, is typically injected. For years, harm reduction advocates focused on creating syringe exchange programs to minimize the health consequences. But now, with the rise of fentanyl, those programs aren’t as popular. “It’s difficult to engage folks who don’t come in,” Dean says.

    So the county is offering what drug users want: tin foil, which, thanks to the explosion in fentanyl use, already dots downtown Portland’s streets.


    The smoking supplies serve two purposes, Dean says. They encourage people to stop injecting, a vector for disease. And they encourage people who are already smoking to come into clinics, where the county can offer fentanyl test strips, Narcan, a fast-acting overdose reversal drug, and other services. “Several decades of research have also shown that providing supplies for safer drug use does not increase illegal drug use,” she adds.

    Officials announced they were distributing smoking supplies in a PowerPoint presentation at a briefing of the Multnomah County Board of Commissioners last week. The health department confirmed to WW yesterday what those supplies entailed and that they would be distributed “beginning in July 2023.”

    “Multnomah County has been an innovator and a leader in harm reduction practices for many years, which I’m very proud of,” county public health director Jessica Guernsey said at the meeting last week. “Harm reduction is often a topic that is sensationalized or misrepresented in public and media discourse. But make no mistake, the work is not only lifesaving, but also a critical way to form trusting, safe relationships with community members who have been otherwise marginalized.”

    Guernsey says the county’s harm reduction efforts decrease emergency room visits and help connect people to treatment services.


    Despite the county’s efforts, however, overdose deaths have continued to climb. They’ve doubled in Multnomah County between 2018 and 2021, thanks to the rise of fentanyl. (Data for 2022 is still trickling in.)



    Mayor Ted Wheeler, meanwhile, has taken a different tack. He recently announced, but later withdrew, a proposal to ban the smoking of fentanyl in Portland’s public spaces.

    After initially declining to comment, the mayor’s office releasing a scathing statement.

    “I adamantly oppose distributing paraphernalia to encourage using a drug that is the leading cause of death for Americans under 50 and responsible for 190 fatal overdoses a day in the U.S.,” Wheeler said. “This misguided approach also results in greater risk to public safety for those who simply want to enjoy our city without walking through a cloud of toxic smoke.” (County health officials say that fentanyl smoke puts passersby “at very low risk of health effects.”)

    “Our community would benefit more from the county using its funding to urgently increase treatment and sobering facilities rather than actively enabling this deadly epidemic,” he added.

    https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/07/...ibute-tinfoil-and-straws-to-fentanyl-smokers/
     
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    well, crap. If I'm on Ted Wheeler's side on an issue I need to rethink some life choices...

    Interesting point, though. I don't remember Portland's smoking laws, but I know that if you're trying to smoke a cigar or cigarette (in some cases like San Diego, "vape") anywhere near a business in many parts of SEA or CA, you will be fined (not sure about arrested), partially because of "secondhand smoke" laws. Are fentanyl smoke clouds safer than tobacco smoke clouds?
     
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    Makes sense and if leads to fewer OD deaths and more treatment it's worth trying. Just so tired of the homeless.
     
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    Pretty sure fentanyl smoke clouds are far more toxic.

    Yes, Oregon has similar smoking laws regarding buildings. But we don't have police willing to do their jobs. In this case though, it wouldn't really matter because it's just a fine and these people wouldn't pay anyway.

    Gotta solve the homelessness crisis first and foremost.
     
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    They built Vanport to house people that worked in the shipyards.
    Portland should dedicate some land and build a city for the homeless. not a village, a town.
    Have services to help those that want help get on their feet and allow them to work in the town.
    Also build several new mental hospitals. Like what was at Edgefield years back. There is a need for them.
    Implement vagrancy laws downtown for those that are just coasting and being flakes. Plenty of them do deal with as well.
     
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    They still do, at least on Powell and division lol (walking through the lanes)
     
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    Not a terrible idea... Of course, those kinds of things tend to turn into slums, though it would seem that it would clean up Portland... At least some.
     
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    My god, so you are proposing to drown the homeless?

    Heartless, man. Just heartless.

    barfo
     
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    lol....now thats funny!
    Actually a place like Sunriver deep in the Forest in Central Oregon would work too.
    They could have all amenities, as long as they worked it for food and housing, like a commune.
    They did in Antelope.
    They could have casino, social clubs, G league team.....
     
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    They’d be too far away from people that actually work for their money that they can steal from to afford their drugs.
     
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    Edgefield was the county's poor farm, not a mental hospital.
     
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    Yep, and the massive clusterf**k that is now Wilsonville’s Villebois neighborhood was the site of the former Oregon State Mental Hospital.
     
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    I was mislead then...thanks for correcting!
     
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    I remember a couple of my uncles telling me that yes it was a poor farm but it also house mentally challenged individuals as well. Thats where I got that from I bet. Im struggling big time with certain memory issues but when you brought up poor farm it made me think about tales frrm my uncles.
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