ORob can't be traded until after the season starts. Would've loved to have gotten him as an undrafted pickup. Big man with skill, reminded me a bit of Naz Reid coming into the league.
Yeah I think it's much more likely that he doesn't care at all at this point and he took some bad PR advice from his agent and the Heat. I was just responding to the last poster's assertion that Dame cares about Portland getting back value. He wants Miami, and that's it. The way it publicly played out on his end is what's soured me on him, personally. I wasn't upset at all that he wanted out. I don't blame him, though I don't think Miami will be a real threat in the east after all is said and done either, and he probably should have stuck it out. I just hate the 1 team demand like he's a FA or has a NTC, or that Portland owes it to him to send him to any team of his desire regardless of return. It's crazy.
Id have no issues if this quote was the whole story. Its a different situation when his agent is going around and actively trying to dampen his market
In negotiation theory, there are the twin concepts of ZOA (zone of agreement) and BATNA (best alternative to negotiated agreement). When an offer falls outside the bounds of ZOA, you have BATNA. BATNA for us is to keep Dame. He can choose to play motivated and increase his value (getting the other team into our ZOA) or stay home. We're not winning anyway, so we're indifferent to him playing. My guess is, Dame is NOT indifferent to the idea of not playing. We use that leverage, that competitive itch, to drive up the price. Miami has also designed their roster to include Dame. They're stupped if they don't get him. Hence, the pressure isn't on us, it's on Dame and Miami.
Yup Mitchell younger but Dame better Durant better but Dame younger and healthier Dame's value somewhere in between
It’s not even about fury. It’s about being a mark to other GMs. Him losing this trade is an existential thing. He’d never be able to have a good faith negotiation again with other GMs.
I'm not saying Miami and Dame are without incentive to want a deal done. That certainly isn't the case. Just like we can move forward with Dame on the roster (and possibly not playing), Dame could choose to sit out, and Miami can move forward without Dame. All 3 parties can exist without a deal and all 3 parties likely benefit by a deal being agreed to. If Dame was 100% committed to playing in Portland if no deal got done (like Durant in Brooklyn last year), then Portland would have no pressure. That doesn't appear to be the case though.
They would be paying $50m for an asset that is not bringing fans to the arena. This team seems to care about the bottom line. The players would continue to get asked about the situation, which some point may leave a bad taste in their mouth They risk the return of Dame going down. Just like I'm not saying Miami or Dame aren't in the ideal situation for max leverage, Portland isn't either.
This is actually one of the few times I'm actively grateful we have Jody, it might actually be better in this specific instance to have Jody over Paul. I'm not even kidding. Why do I say this? Jody is phenomenally greedy, she's super patient because she doesn't care and doesn't have to care, and finally she massively stubborn. In this case those traits are AMAZING. Paul would have already traded Dame for peanuts because he would have felt he should out of loyalty and honor. Jody isn't worried about that kind of stuff and in this specific case it's pretty sweet. That said, isn't tomorrow the earliest Dame could be traded? Let's see what happens and hope Jody is as stubborn and greedy as we all think if she is, she might just be the perfect owner in this instance.
I agree... I continue to say that Portland, Miami, nor Dame are in ideal leverage situations. Where the Dame and Lowry situation differs is that Lowry isn't one of the best players in franchise history, in his prime, who brings a lot of people to the arena.
How do you know Cronin failed? I think he succeeded. Why do I say that? Rumors are that all trades for All-Star level guys would have required we part with Sharpe. Now, none of the rumors are around All-NBA level talents and therefore these were borderline All-Star level guys like Siakam and that range. I wouldn't trade Sharpe for Siakam straight up, and Toronto and other teams wanted Sharpe PLUS more assets. That ultimately boils down to keeping Sharpe or Dame. Cronin made the right choice if that's the case OR perhaps there were no deals. In no way do I see evidence that Cronin was incompetent other than the LAC trade and that was pretty clearly a tax and money saving maneuver as has been gone over ad nauseum. You can also fault the trading of the first for Grant that became Duren, but in that case he was attempting to appease Dame without wiping out the cupboard and likely we will recoup that pick for Grant in the future now that he's under contract. I think Cronin has done very well thus far, but the Dame trade will make or break his career.
Isn't that incredibly close to a BEST CASE scenario in terms of realistic scenarios? Of course I'd do that! Might as well get Whitehead too though ahahha.
that was 2 years ago against essentially high school competition last season, at Duke, he averaged 8.3 points and 2.4 rebounds. He only had a 6.8% rebound rate which is very weak for college; and he only shot 41% on two's. And he didn't get to the FT line. He did shoot 43% on college three's on 98 attempts but that's about the only encouraging stat he had. Statistically, he looks like a one-trick pony (Allen Crabbe?), but I've never seen him play. Statistically speaking, I'm not impressed, but I might be missing something I saw Jaquez play in college quite a few times. He's competent and can do a lot of things. From what I know (which isn't a lot), I'd rather have him than Whitehead. But it won't come down to having to choose between the two ******************************************************************************** I do find it very curious that as of yet, according to Spotrac, neither Clowney or Whitehead have signed their rookie scale yet. In fact, if you look at their draft page, only 3 first round picks haven't signed, and the other one who hasn't, besides the Net's duo, was involved in a draft day trade: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/draft/ I doubt it has to do with a Dame trade, but the coincidence is certainly noticeable
