Notice Matisse Thybulle came to Portland via the Josh Hart trade

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thybuma01.html

February 9, 2023: As part of a 4-team trade, traded by the Philadelphia 76ers to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Charlotte Hornets traded Jalen McDaniels and a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers; the New York Knicks traded Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk to the Charlotte Hornets; the New York Knicks traded Ryan Arcidiacono, Cam Reddish, Ante Tomic and a 2023 1st round draft pick (Kris Murray was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded a 2023 2nd round draft pick (Colby Jones was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets; the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2027 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Dani Diez, Bojan Dubljevic and Josh Hart to the New York Knicks; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2029 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers. Charlotte also received a trade exception More favorable 2023 2nd-rd pick ended up as CHO own 2027 2nd-rd pick is more favorable Philadelphia also received a trade exception 2024 2nd-rd pick is NYK own 2029 2nd-rd pick is POR own Portland also received a trade exception 2023 protected 1st-rd pick is NYK own

Mods please sticky this shit until I stop having to explain to people that Thybulle was part of the Josh Hart trade. I'm tired of it. I have had to explain this to no less than three different people on three different occasions.

 

Maybe -- and hear me out here, because it's just a thought...

Maybe this doesn't really matter and its okay if people don't have perfect recollection of every detail of the past? Maybe spending time arguing about something so pedantic isn't the best use of anyone's time? Maybe pissing matches like this one make this board less enjoyable for damn-near everyone?

 

Ok..... bear with me here..... maybe don't argue with someone when something is so incredibly easy to fact check?

It's not like people are saying, "oh I think you're wrong." It's "no you're wrong. We got Thybulle from the GP2 trade." This is coming up over and over and over and over. And since we're talking about winning trades or losing trades, I'm tired of explaining this simple fact to people.

So this is a public service announcement.

 

But why does that matter? How does it affect anything in the current state of things? You've made your point in several pages worth of posts already. How the sausage was made doesn't really matter anymore. It's just sausage now.

 

This isn't a "point."

This is a fact. A demonstrable fact. So maybe by creating this thread I head off having to explain this fact a few more times.

 

Isn't it just easier to let such a minor, completely inconsequential, incorrect detail go? Why do you feel like you have to correct such a meaningless detail every time?

 

Counterpoint.... aren't you essentially doing the same thing right now over whether this thread should exist?

 

Sure, but I haven't made similar posts countless other times. I'm trying to get an understanding of why you think this detail is so important that you need to continue to hammer people who get it slightly wrong? Why a special post that you're asking to be pinned at the top for something so completely inconsequential? Who cares if they took I-5 or 205 to the Moda center if they got there by tipoff?

The reason I'm doing it, is because I find this type of pedantic behavior toxic and is one of many flaws with this board that often keeps me, and so I'm just assuming others, as well, from engaging as much.

You do you, but the big picture is that you continually proving others wrong on this fact is both weird, petty and, frankly, also meaningless...

 

It still doesn't seem like trading Josh Hart had much to do with getting Thybulle. It was made to be in the same deal but they might as well have been in different deals. The deal was announced outside the Hart deal and was eventually roped in.

 

Are trying to kill us all with irony?!? I can’t take it!

 

I guess I don't get that emotional about it. If someone says that we got fleeced in the CJ trade, which has come up quite a bit recently because we're assessing Joe Cronin's resume the past 18 months, and I say that the haul wasn't that bad because we have Grant and Thybulle. If they tell me that Thybulle was not part of that, and they're sure of it, I'm going to go get the details of the trade.

I'm not sure why you're getting so emotional about me correcting what seems to be a fairly widespread misunderstanding about a significant trade in the past 18 months. And before you take issue with me saying you're emotional, telling me that I'm basically being toxic, petty, and driving people from the board is (to me) the very definition of emotional.

The last time people started hammering on me about being "pedantic" and repeating myself, it was about what Dame said in regards to using the pick and requesting a trade. When I take a hard stance on a topic, I'm usually right.

 

And yet.......

 

I'm not emotional about it at all. I just don't understand why you feel the need to continually hammer this point. I genuinely don't get the point of you beating this dead horse so much. After the 4th or 5th time seeing you engage in this argument, I'm just sharing that it's taking away from the experience of this board...

 

I'm not the one bringing it up dude.

Other person: The CJ trade was bad. We got fleeced.

Me: The CJ trade wasn't that bad. We ended up with Grant and Thybulle.

Other person: We didn't get Thybulle from the Josh Hart trade.

Me: Yes we did. (insert link here)

Where is me "hammering" on anything? People post incorrect shit. I post the correct shit. End of story. I finally got tired of it and created this thread to hopefully head off future interactions about this topic. Isn't that exactly what you're talking about? Not having to "hammer" on this topic anymore? I'm tired of having to set people straight on it.

But you're the one who decided to make it about me instead of just skipping over the thread. We could have avoided this entire conversation if you had just ignored it.

 

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15073430

 

Id say the experience of the board has always had people hammering irrelevant points.

That or really stupid opinions. Then some funny posts but with no real useful purpose. Other posts just needlessly arguing.

We probably have about 1 of 20 posts here with actual useful content. Certainly this one falls short as well.

 

How is it irrelevant? When we are debating whether Joe is a good or bad GM, if people are misrepresenting which players were acquired in which trade, that is kind of important.

The LAC trade was amazing because we got Shaedon Sharpe from it..... right?

 

That's why I have you here. When is the last time I took a hard stance on a topic and was proven to be wrong?

 

Well "proven" is pretty difficult to ever show one way or the other when its a bunch of opinions and speculation.

I've thought you were totally wrong on your LaMarcus leaving opinions but you will continue to believe you were and are right.