Kevin Costner mode. Chop down the corn field and even Darth Vader will come out of retirement to be a Blazer.
Of course Dame is going to lessen his trade value. He wants the team he goes to to have the strongest chance of winning with him. The more value he has, the more the acquiring team gives up, and the weaken that new team’s roster.
You know it's times like this when I realize how lucky were are to have so many insiders and experts on the game that are never wrong. Man them letting us in on that behind the scenes details that only THEIR sources share with them.....FAMS...... so lucky.
starters: Scoot Simons Thybulle Herro Grant bench: Sharpe Murray Little Walker Jovic ? Jaquez ? the Blazers just need to be entertaining enough to make it to trade deadline. I'm sure Blazer fans will be spoon fed rumors about all the improvements Cronin could make, but unfortunately none of them will pan out. Therefore it will be smart to throw in the towel, rest the starters, and engage the super duper tank.
No one except a few insiders know the details of the trades that were discussed. So how do you evaluate a GM on trades not made unless you know what the options were. I'm glad that he didn't make a stupid trade, like trading for Gerald Wallace in exchange for a pick that turned into Damian Lillard.
He said the effort was there and he seemed optimistic that something would get done, that they had 12 deals they were looking at. Then he say's we couldn't get it done. Maybe it was for good reason and maybe didn't negotiate enough or was hesitant to push his chips? Joe to me, doesn't come across like he's a capable negotiator, he will acknowledge giving it a try but seems to quickly state he can't get it done. Super guy, love his humbleness, but I just feel he'd much rather go young and start over. He needs to learn to keep his cards close in the future.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but on what do you base that assessment? Is it personality you see Cronin show at press conferences or the trades he did and didn't make over the past 18 months?
And yet some people have at times had details when they weren't available to the general public. I don't recall any of them indicating they were never wrong. Perhaps a screen shot or link to a thread would be helpful. I appreciate when some people have shared what they could that turned out to be correct. It's fun. Isn't that supposed to be what this is? Did you not get any from Mrs. HCP this morning and woke up a little cranky?
A combination and it's just my gut feeling. I just dont see him as the type to work the phones aggressively and create deals. Thats not a slam on him at all, everyone has strengths and areas for improvement. After spending 40 plus years with a large corporation you can get a feel for who has the talents in negotiating and pro active individuals. Some are more cautious and methodical and some are more aggressive, creative and willing to take risk.
That's fair. The only thing I'd say is to be careful of judging someone's negotiating abilities based on public demeanor, and I say this as someone who's been a working professional for just about as long as you. Yes, boisterous gets attention, but usually I find calculated wins the day. The book definitely still is out on his trade skills. How the whole thing with Dame plays out will be defining for him.
Good points, and it's just based on my experience within the Industry I worked. And I agree about boisterous individuals can draw attention but may be lousy negotiators or managers, because they turn people off. I hope Joe succeeds in every way and he has acknowledged that he's learning the ropes. Just learning to deal with agents and other GM's can take time. When a person starts a new position dealing with procedures, policy and people it can take some time to get comfortable/confident and familiar with areas of strengths and weakness's.
And he didn't exactly enter a great situation with the resources left to him after Olshey, the team kind of stuck in neutral (not good enough to challenge for the West, not bad enough for great draft positioning without tanking), the national pressure for Dame to move and the ownership uncertainty. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. Starting with that Clippers trade was bad and the Pelicans trade wasn't much better, so he put himself in a hole to start. I was encouraged that he got Grant for a song, Thybulle for nothing, a first-round pick and a chance to evaluate a former lottery player for a player who was likely to leave at the end of the season and got the Warriors so mad about extracting five second-rounders from them for GPII that they had their proxies put out the ridiculous Toradol story. From what we've heard of the potentialities regarding the eventual Scoot pick, it seems like not trading that was the way to go (the caveat there being we don't know exactly what deals were being offered). All in all, when you put everything in the ledger, he seems to be getting it. He's probably won five trade negotiations, got routed in one and lost a seventh somewhat convincingly, but the losses came right at the beginning.
To TOR: - Dame To ORL: - Trent ( Magic apparently were really intersted in him before he opted in) - Nurk To POR: - Barnes - Carter Jr. - Boucher - Issac - 2 picks from TOR unprotected - Protected first from ORL Scoot / Simons Simons / Sharpe Barnes / Thybulle Grant / Issac Carter / Boucher That team could win 40 games if we tried. Bring Sharpe off the bench and feed him 25-30mpg for one more yr before either moving Grant or Simons next yr to open up a starting spot for Shaedon. This roster is way more balanced than anything Crolshey has put together in the past decade and also reinforces a young core of guards AND wings.
Love that for the Blazers, but that seems more than a little far-fetched for both the Raptors and the Magic. Given what we know about Masai, it seems very unlikely he give up Barnes, Trent, AND two picks for Dame. And while the Magic like Trent, do they like him enough to give up Carter and a first? I get worried with these trade proposals that we are setting our expectations up way too high.
The Raptors were this close to losing Trent for nothing in FA before he opted back in last month. Magic also jettison an albatross in Issac in the deal. The picks here are fairly interchangebale in my mind. Can haggle out of one or two of them. I'm just thinking of the framework for a Dame deal: 1. One top prospect with all star potential at wing/big. 2. One starting caliber player at a position of need who is < 25. 3. Picks. Amenable to how many depending on the guys we get with above conditions. 4. The team has to on Nurk. I don't think this is too much to ask. It is essentially the template for most recent star trades.
Carter + 1st to take on Nurk???? And get an expiring Trent who is reported to be working on an extension with Toronto? I wouldn't trade Carter by himself for Trent and Nurk. And yes I know they're moving Isaac. I don't think Isaac is that negative on this contract. Partially guaranteed this year, nonguaranteed next. He's functionally an expiring.
