That doesn't mean they have the 2026 pick yet. Could they? Yes, but it is unlikely. If OKC gets a 2nd round pick to take 26 unprotected, which is known as a stronger draft, it isn't some crazy thought. Also, what I think Bones was saying is if another team has a likely better 2025 or 2026 pick, OKC could be happy taking that and releasing the 25 pick back to Miami so they give us 24, 26, 28, 30. Do I agree with it? Maybe. But it isn't impossible.
Yeah gutting their future and then later owning their unproteced picks out until 2030 is what could make this super valuable! I think all of that would actually be an overpay for Dame. They can keep Martin or something if they give all the rest up. I love the idea of taking all of Miami's draft equity as that starts to makes those distant picks and swaps have crazy good high lottery upside.
Yeah, and then try to steal away any undrafted guys that they start sniffing around. Just cock block them in any way possible.
Jaquez could be wanted by both teams in the deal to match salaries. Dame had the trade restriction until July 10th or something anyways - it would be crazy for Miami to hold off signing him and border on downright insulting. I mean if a deal had been reached in principle I guess they would hold off signing Jazquez and wait to finalize the Dame deal, but Jaquez was eligible to be signed on the 1st before Dame had even demanded a trade.
Two points. 1) OKC doesn't have to be involved. If Miami has the PHX '25 pick, then Miami can trade the '24, '28, & '30 picks unconditionally. The '26 pick they can also trade with a condition (if the Miami '25 pick conveys to OKC, then Portland gets '26. If it does not, then Portland gets the better of PHX or Miami '25). 2) I don't agree with the mindset that 'Miami needs to figure this out'. Taking the passive approach in this situation will get Portland a sub-par result. If Cronin takes a proactive approach, I think the return for Dame could be significantly better.
I'm not super excited about Jaquez or Jovic, but if it has to be Miami, I want to strip everything that's not nailed down from that team.
The new CBA has stuff about luxury tax teams can't sign buyout guys and teams under the cap or under the tax get priority on picking them up. Would be great if the Blazers could steal some of their targets in a future season. I also maintain that owning just the single 2030 unprotected pick also kind of gives the Blazers a path to possibly get Dame back for only a pick many years from now. Maybe its even on his next contract far less than the $60 million. I'm hopeful this trade eventually gets resolved amicable on both sides when its finalized. When Dame is in his late 30's and Sharp/Scoot are ready to win in the playoffs it might be fun to bring Dame back in a Jason Kidd Dallas role.
It really depends on how much Dame dislikes/distrusts Joe Cronin and Jody. But someone I was listening to yesterday brought up a good point. I think maybe it was Danny Marang and Dusty. They said that Joe is clearly building for long term, and he wouldn't be doing that if he thought that Jody was going to sell the team anytime soon. So the rebuild would tend to signal that the ownership won't be changing in the foreseeable future.
Ahh great points. Yeah Miami just needs to get a single pick that aligns with their debt to OKC. Then they are free to trade 4 first rounders, or a net of sending out 3 more. There might be a way for us to involve Chicago and then use our pick to eliminate Stephen restrictions eventually getting us more picks in total. Having other teams that can resolve this besides OKC is great so we aren't relying on them holding out for some costly demand.
Marang doesn't know shit. That's not a substantive point at all. That the Blazers are rebuilding doesn't mean they won't be for sale. Rebuilding is actually the perfect storm for selling the team. Keeping the team out of the luxury while heading into a new TV deal in a year, only helps to make that sell more lucrative. To boot with two potential future stars on the roster for cheap.
In a number of years is one or both of Cronin/Jody gone? A lot can change in a few years. Maybe thats not selling part is true, or maybe not - I'm not sure I buy that. If the Blazers had Dame, Grant, and traded the pick for Jaylen Brown getting a new massive contract the team would have huge contracts and older players that wouldn't lend itself to a high selling price either. Even if selling the team new owners probably like high upside young players, picks, and not too many overpaid long contracts.
I didn't mean in 2030 - I meant in exchange for the 2030 pick. Look at how often we discuss doing a trade with Chicago for our pick and they don't own a single lottery pick of ours - if we own Miami's shot at the #1 overall pick it could freak them out. Heck it might only be in two years if Miami falls apart - or it might be in 2027 with a sign and trade when Dame is 37 and getting a new cheaper contract. Yeah right now it seems like were setting up to depart forever - but in a few years those sentiments can change quickly, especially if this gets resolved with no hard feelings. I'm not saying its something we should plan on or use assets towards; just something to leave that door open into maybe being a small chance of it happing one day. It could be a nice little bonus.
I know what bones is saying. I'm not buying it though in 2026, Dame will be 36 & Butler will be 37. OKC might be willing to send the 2025 pick back to Miami if they get an additional 2nd round pick, but I don't believe they will let go of that 2026 unprotected pick very easily besides that, OKC already has 8 first round picks in 2024 & 2025, plus 4 second round picks. I don't see any reason why they'd want a 9th first round pick in 2024-2025, leaving them only 2 in 2026
With rumors of Utah being interested in Herro -> Does anyone think they would give up John Collins + the least favorable pick between Cleveland, Minnesota, and Utah in '25? If so, that could turn the Miami trade into a home run... With & without Ben Simmons
Incorrect. Generally, players salaries can't be aggregated with others to take back more salary. In this case, Collins is being traded 1 v 1 - so it would be legal. I also think Utah took Collins into cap space - so the aggregation rule would not apply.
That's usually right after the trade is made. When was it completed and how long do they have to move him?
