Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors

I think you make some valid points, for sure. Since Dame is under contract and if they dont want to peddle him, the why not establish a price? If they say, we want established an all star player and pics, nothing less, it put's the pressure on Miami and at the same time the rest of league knows that we want an Allstar player. So blow our socks off if you want him. You can always come down if the market doesn't respond.
I dont want to sell my house but if someone seemed like they must have it, Id ask a ridiculous high price.

 

Agree with a lot of that but I think the established all-star and picks probably already is presumed if the Blazers haven't said that to the Heat. I think we're more in a matter of specifics at this point, with the Heat constantly pleading poverty with what they can give up. If they get the Blazers to go public with specifics, then it can be spun negatively for the Blazers in the media. Right now, saying little and letting the Heat and other teams add to their offers is the right play, IMO. Be a good poker player and don't show your cards. Win the jackpot.

Should the market not be good for a Dame deal now, fine. The Blazers aren't on the clock here. Dame is. The Heat are. But the Blazers? Nah, we're not going anywhere. We're in no rush. We can afford to be Patient Bear and feast when someone sees an opportunity and is desperate enough to give us a king's ransom instead of us receiving pennies on the dollar.

 

One of Amen or Jabari + Eason or Whitmore. They're probably most intrigued with Amen since he's their shiny new lotto pick.

 

Let me help Joe with his response to the “impatient” Heat.

“Dear Pat,

As they say in the yachting world, if you have to ask the price, you can’t afford it.”

 

To be fair, you are comparing 5th year Simons to rookie stats for everyone else.
Simons - 3.8 ppg, 44.4% from the field, 34.5% from three, 0.7 rebounds, 0.7 assists

This is closer to a fair comparison. Smith, Sharpe, & Ant were all 19 during their rookie campaigns.

 

Um, no and I think Sharpe and Scoot both have higher upside than any of the Houston players, especially Eason. I'd trade Sharpe, Simons and Scoot for Jokic or Giannis and that's it.

I'm of the opinion that we got 2 of the 3 best players in the last 2 drafts. Only Wemby (barring injuries of course) will better than Scoot or Sharpe will be.

 

That doesn't make sense. He was comparing the assets, not me. I'm just show what those assets are currently worth. We don't know if Jabari Smith will average 20ppg in the next few years.

You're just hitting home that those assets for the Rockets are unproven and could turn out to be busts, or they could be stars, who knows.... but Simons is currently a 20ppg scorer on efficient numbers.

Shaedon was arguably a better starter than Eason or Smith.

Here is Shaedon



As a 30+ per game player, he averaged 21.6 ppg, 5 rebounds, and 3 assists on 49% field goal shooting and 37% from three.

Here is Smith



Smith sucked compared to Shaedon.

Here is Eason



Eason was a way better three point shooter as a bench player for some reason.

 

I haven't read every post yet. Sorry if this has been addressed;

If Portland tells Miami what they want in a Dame trade, they are setting the market based on what the worst possible trade partner has available to trade. At some point Dame should add a few more teams. Then Portland can negotiate with say, Utah. Utah has far more assets to trade than Miami. But if if it is public knowledge Portland asked for three picks from Miami, Utah is not offering more than three picks. The market was set. If i'm Portland, I want four picks from Utah, maybe five. Don't set the ceiling when negotiating with the worst trade partner. Ask for their best, as Cronin smartly has. If Portland rejects it, no ceiling has been set.

 

I get that, good comments. But if Portland states it must have a star player, 2 unprotected 1 st round picks no later than 2006 as an example, then teams that can meet those expectations can summit proposals.. That it puts pressure on Miami to and other teams to not low ball and waist time.
If Portland doesn't want to move Dame but would rather try and keep him then its best to do nothing and allow teams to probe for possibilities.

 

These guys negotiate!

 

Sometimes insulting someone is actually negotiating!

 

I would say all Miami has done is waste time. Which does not affect Portland. I am sure Portland wants to move Dame since HE publicly requested it. But Portland does not want to take a low ball offer, or even acknowledge said low ball offer. Everyone knows what Miami can offer as far as picks, swaps, young talent and filler. They are trying to portray Herro as an asset worthy of a pick or two. Great flip him and make the deal. But in my opinion, the Heat are probably struggling getting anything for Herro, if they are even trying. If I were a betting man, I would take the field over a Dame trade to Miami. And yet, Portland can ask for anything. But Portland did not ask to be in this situation. They are fielding offers, not negotiating against themselves. If Portland asks for something that Miami certainly can not do, like five frp's, then teams would know Portland is not being realistic. Miami can muster up three picks and whatever they could get from Herro, which is probably a shorter contract of a flawed player, drech. Stay the course.

 

Yes, they could. But then they would be losing the PR battle instantly, which is huge in this situation. Portland has to defeat not just Riley, but all of his media shills that are trying to win the PR battle with the fans. Not just Miami fans, but national fans, casual fans. Portland can ask for Bam and not look like assholes. Miami can certainly reject that. But they can not reject a request for five frp's as they do not have that to offer, making Portland look foolish and petty. When negotiating, 1 vs 1, you do not ask for something that just can not be done. You negotiate for everything they can do/get done. If Miami can get a pick or two for Herro you take it. Don't ask for five. Instruct Miami to bring the best deal knowing under no circumstance will Herro be a Blazer, so get the best deal for him as well. Miami has to put the deal together. They want Dame. Portland would probably rather work with Brooklyn, Toronto, Utah, OKC, Houston, Detroit and San Antonio. They have assets. Different assets.

 

I don’t think portlands pr matters one bit. Will tv ratings go down? Will Steven a smith complain too much? Will players not want to come here ( even less)? Doesn’t matter at all. Maybe some would think Joe cares about the team more than just bending to the will of a single player??

 

Someone should inform GP that the best players in the game can absolutely play for any team they choose. All they need to do is sign vet min contracts.... Obviously, Dame opted out of that.

 

lol, well put.

 

Seems to met that Cronin has mentioned all star type player as one possibility. And when he said it he realized Miami couldn't offer one of the two, they have. So that message went out to other teams as well, and some that just might be willing to get involved.

 

Portland just had the ridiculous GSW/Toradol fiasco. The airwaves were flooded when GSW alleged Portland cheated them. That was all you heard about for 2-3 weeks. Then, 2-3 months GSW and GP2weeks admitted Portland did not inject Toradol into him. Did you hear about it? Very little. But for some reason GSW were allowed to inflict scandalous claims against Portland. They should have been forced to give up a FRP to Portland for that. Who got the good press, who got the negative press? You want to control the PR narrative so that your staff and players know that you are honest and fair to deal with. You are an organization they are proud to represent and want to stay. And yes, you do not want to piss off your fan base by signing a Rueben Patterson. It is all PR, and I want Scoot and Sharpe to know that they are with a first rate organization. That their parents know the same. Those two young men are tight with their families and they must know Toradol is not an issue in Portland and that they value their players. I'm not a PR guy, but I know it is valuable for a national and international brand such as Trailblazers Inc.