NBA warns Dame & his agent to stop asking for trade to just one team

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  1. BIG Q

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    Pretty sure that would earn Cronin a fine from the league as well. Its not just Dame/Goodwin being rebuked. Everyone is. Can't just warn one side.
     
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    There’s nothing wrong with a GM closing trade discussions with another team. It happens every day in the NBA. Joe probably would add something like, “Should the Heat come to us with a new trade package that meets our objectives, we would certainly consider it.”
     
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    I understand your point, but you just don't negotiate via the press. That is the job of Haynes, Fentress and the Miami press corp. Too many ego's become injured and these people do not want egg on their faces. But I would love it to an extent.
     
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    Love the thought by @e_blazer but you probably right. Privately you tell Miami this and let it marinate.
     
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    I see absolutely nothing wrong at this point with telling Riley that the ball is in his court. The Blazers said that they would try to facilitate a trade for Dame. They didn’t say that they would spend the summer trying to endlessly roll the rock up the hill to make a deal with just the Heat. It’s possible that the League’s action will spur the Heat to sweeten their offer, but I think it’s going to take another team or two to put something together that’s palatable to the Blazers. Riley’s the guy who wants to get the best player in the deal. He should do the heavy lifting.
     
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    You are 100% correct here. You just don't do it publicly. And in my opinion, Cronin is fielding calls now. Adam Silver, via the memo he put out, announced to every team that Dame conceded he would fulfill the terms of his contract irrespective of where he is traded. Many players have been traded to places they do not want to go. But it is a contract. It has value to both sides. Portland will try to accommodate Dame as best they can, but now they no longer have a knife to their throat. It is probably pretty difficult to want to fulfill someones wishes when they have that knife on your jugular.
     
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    It is my belief that the market for Dame will be more favorable to us in February than this summer. As I stated in another post, right now teams are feeling good about themselves. Come deadline, teams will realize they have no chance but sense that by adding Dame to their team they can go for it, much like Phoenix/KD.

    KD wanna go to Phx but Phx doesn't wanna give up assets in August, but by the deadline they realized they weren't going anywhere and sensed that the West was open for the taking, they were suddenly willing give up Mikal/Cam/Crowder/Many Picks for an aging, injury-riddled superstar
     
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    What Dame/Goodwin did is explicitly restricted un the new CBA that was adopted.

    A statement like that from Joe would not be restricted. He could get the message across without being so formal about it
     
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    This very well could be how it plays out, but it took a change of ownership in Phoenix to finally get the Durant deal done. But personally I don't want a wounded/disgruntled Dame around our youngsters. If Dame is in PDX until the trade deadline he will want to play his usual hero ball and little ball movement. That will be good for him, and possibly his trade value. Does nothing for Scoot. Dame playing a more off the ball team game could hurt his value too. Sooo many variables.
     
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    Dame is never going to be disgruntled around the team that gave him half a billion...he's under contract..he has no gripe or complaint period..he'll lace em up and keep his trade value high if he's smart. Dame and Joe are both at Nurk's wedding in Croatia...I don't think there's this big ugly divide that fans have conjured up between Dame and Joe. Joe and Goodwin is a different story..Goodwin could get fired.
     
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    Semantics, but it was not allowed under the previous CBA either. I posted somewhere that AD was fined regarding his public discourse in the trade to LAL. He was fined $50k. The NBA increased the fine to $150k in new CBA. Seems to be a priority.
     
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    That has never ever been an issue, because people already didn't want to come here. Might as well say Archaeologists are hanging on every word and considering not doing Egyptology in Portland based on how Dame is treated. I absolutely love Dame the player. I'm profoundly disappointed in how this has been handled. Ask for a trade sure, state Miami is your preference but another contender like Brooklyn would work for him, and certainly under no circumstances tank your value through nefarious means as has been done. How you, Blazerkor and others defend this because of the FO and lets be real Olshey and Ownership didn't get it done for Dame is astonishing to me. Name the last Free Agent who signed with us that was noteworthy. I'll wait, much like we've been waiting for that to happen for decades. Hell, we couldn't land Hedo freaking Turkeyglue over Toronto when their team was meh and ours seemed on the cusp of real contention.
     
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    You guys should start a church of Damian Lillard as it sure seems like ya'll would be fine with him setting fire to the Moda Center using our one championship banner lit on fire to do it.

    Unreal your apologias for Dame's camp's utterly abominable behavior! You gonna be a "inserts Dame's new team" fan when he's traded?

    Man, I thought I was the biggest Dame lover on the planet. I actually literally told my ex-wife that she had a Hall Pass with Dame, but only if he got her pregnant so I could raise his son. I'm not even kidding actually, I told her that. Yep, I worshiped Dame until his agent tried to screw us which horrified me. As it turns out I barely liked the guy compared to some, because I didn't think he had carte blanche to tank his value and ensure we got fucked just to go where he wanted. Turns out I'm a fan of Laundry and loyal to the soil and also don't want to see small/undesirable market teams to get fucked in perpetuity by these kinds of tactics. Thank god the League at least publicly, agrees with me.
     
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    I'd love to see that for the meltdown of the Heat fans, and the local Heat/Dame fans who want us to take pennies on the dollar.

    It's wild to me seeing some of the Dame can do no wrong folks throw the Organization under the bus based on speculation. Speculation can go both ways btw and we have at least as many data points that make Dame look bad.

    Consider the following: Do we even know if say Dame vetoed trades of CJ in the past? No we don't, but I strongly suspect Lillard has had a LeBron type influence of arm chair GM for like at least 6 years or so. Look at the Blevins non-sense. I note CJ wasn't traded until he stepped out-of-bounds during Dame's Super Saiyan game against Denver and then Dame gave him "the look" which read, "your time here is short friend.".

    People want to make all kinds of assumptions about the FO and as far as I can tell only Olshey's idiocy is to blame. The only rumored trades that would have actually helped all involved CJ and were seemingly turned down by Olshey and/or Dame.

    People want to take Dame at face value and get conspiratorial about Cronin intentionally driving out Dame when Dame does two VERY suspect things. One, he waited until the ink was dry with his boy Grant's overpay pay day, and two, he asked for a trade almost the minute he could after signing his Mega Giga extension and we all know Dame is about them Dolla's, he's never hid that. And of course one has to assume that Dame has signed off on Aaron Badloss's egregious behavior which is also telling IMO.

    I mean is that squinting and blaming Dame? Sure it is, I admit it, I don't actually know about Dame's arm chair GM-ing despite some evidence of that being there, but people are using even less evidence to assume more about Cronin in particular.
     
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    Star players who this would impact were never going to willfully engage with the Blazers anyway.

    And if someone has a problem with honoring their contract we didn't want them anyway.

    We'll need to draft or trade for our stars. Like we always have.
     
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    Yep, the Denver, SAS, Toronto models are the ones to follow. Excellent drafting, brilliant trades and good to incredible coaching.
     
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    Of course there are good ones, but people like Aaron Fentress and Aaron Goodwin soil it for so many.
     
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    I still can't believe how quickly Dame spoiled his brand. Looking like a hypocrite is never a good look, but especially when you have built your reputation on loyalty and integrity. Dame now looks like just another selfish spoiled rich athlete.
     
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    There’s a lot going on here with Cronin. He isn’t just trying to get the best deal he can for Lillard (as he should), he’s also trying to salvage his own reputation. He’s given away some players for almost nothing, and been criticized for it, so he’s trying to prove he can pull off a great deal for Lillard. He has a reputation of being naïve and gullible in the NBA trade wars, and he wants to redeem himself.
     
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    So Ant/3 for Giannis was on the table and Joe turned it down?
     
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