Exclusive All Things Scoot

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  1. andalusian

    andalusian Season - Restarted

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  2. inconceivable

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    The former
     
  3. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Maybe his shoulder injury is more severe than we thought?
     
  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Bruh...
     
  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    That whole thing was so weird. They never made any kinds of official release about his MRI results or ruled him out for the rest of SL.
     
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    I think when Dame was killing the value of the third pick, he has devalued Scoot. Scoot will have to earn his stripes. I think he will be fine. Respect your opinion though.
     
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    No, they did announce he was shut down. It was a few days after. At least the tv crew mentioned he was shut down for the remainder.
     
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    inconceivable Well-Known Member

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    To keep selling tickets and to preserve his trade value. I think his shoulder is fubar. season over
     
  9. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The Blazers never formally put out any kind of press release.
     
  10. kjironman1

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    Could be? I just find it hard to think every scout in the league didn't watch just as much or more of him last year as I did.
    How could someone kill his value with so much actual game video to watch? He's NBA ready and serviceable at this point with room to improve. At some point you got to figure he will be at least a good player. With the right coach and environment he could be very good.
    All I'm saying is if there was a trade available I'd do it in a heartbeat. Cannot figure Joe would be any different?
     
  11. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    And yet I have heard multiple scouts and analysts who have watched him extensively say that he's going to be a star.

    We wanted a star in return. There wasn't really anyone out there. Who would you have traded him for?
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    If this was true somebody would be willing to take him. Every scout i have listened to has said "he has the tools to be good but needs to improve on his defense, decision making and his Jumper". To me that sounds like 90% of the point guards out there.
     
  13. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    What do you mean, “take him?”

    29 other teams would “take him”.

    It was about getting a star in return and it never sounded like that was an option. The offers have to be there. I’m sure we could have traded him for a shit deal if that’s what you mean.
     
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    "he has the tools to be good but needs to improve on his defensive, decision making and his Jumper"

    This is nonsense. This is your quote and not by any scout.
     
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    Really??? People on here honestly want to call the Ironman a Liar? I'll wait for your apology.
    "The one knock on Henderson is his 3-point shot. For two-straight seasons in the G League, he made less than 30% of his attempts from beyond the arc."
    "Defensively, Henderson is pesky but undisciplined at times. He’s got work to do on that end, especially as it relates to limiting fouls."

    https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospe...#gid=ci02aaabb1100024b5&pid=usatsi_17271265-1

    This is at the G-league level. He has not even played against real NBA talent.

    I ask again. Why can't they get a solid piece to keep Damian Lillard (Whom is a proven All Star HOF talent) here by trading this guy?
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    They could get "a solid piece". Would it be enough to keep Dame? Who knows...maybe. Would it be enough to make this team a contender? Probably not--especially if we still have Simons starting at SG. If the piece that would be received in return for a Scoot trade wouldn't be sufficient to bring this team to contender status, then it would be foolhardy to make such a deal.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    There's a vast difference between your paraphrase and the scout's actual wording. "He has the tools to be good, but..." suggests the scout indicated that development would be required for Scoot to be a good player. In fact, the scout in the link you posted said, "He’s ready today to be the point guard of an NBA team...his touch near the rim is elite...He’s got a ridiculous first step and a robust layup package that’s only getting better...The basketball IQ of Henderson is impressive given his age, rarely making major mistakes despite playing at the professional level as a teenager...the one knock on Henderson is his 3-point shot...he’s an elite scorer at two levels, but needs to improve drastically from deep round out his offensive game." (There's much more, but I'll digress)

    I wouldn't say that you were lying, but I would say that you were vastly misinterpreting the scouting report, possibly even intentionally only singling out the few critiques while deliberately ignoring the massive amount of praises heaped upon Henderson. Either way...I don't think an apology is called for.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Lamelo Ball shot 25% from 3 in Australia one yr before shooting 35% from 3 in his rookie NBA season.

    Scoot's shooting will not be a hurdle. He's already ahead of Ball was at this point. Remember the GLeague also uses the NBA line. While he's no spot up shooter, Scoot should be fine making defenders pay for going under the screen even early on.
     
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    Cannot argue with this. Certainly might have been the case. Personally I think you move Simons as well.
     
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    Im of the opinion that we started going young last year and Joe had already made up his mind to do so when he took over. It's the best way for him to seal his job security with a rebuild versus all in and build around Dame. The other HUGE factor is I'm thinking Bert & Jody encouraged him to do so. Thus last two years of tanking with probably 2/3 more years of it to come.
     

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