Politics Please say rock bottom is getting close

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/business/fitch-downgrade-us-credit-rating.html

USA’s credit rating dropped from AAA to AA+ tonight.

 

We don't live in a technocracy (though it's headed that way). So anyone that votes does have a say in the law. Based on your logic, society should not have punished or stopped Larry Nasser from molesting those gymnists because he's a medical doctor.

 

I didn't realize Larry Nasser was only using medical procedures on those kids with the full approval of their parents.

Nope, I'm pretty sure he was raping kids.

 

And him being a doctor and claiming it was a medical treatment was not an excuse was it?

 

Chloe's testimony before Congress

 

You know, as someone who actually was groomed and raped by a church leader as a kid I find it a little bit distasteful how eagerly you wield the threat of child rape as some sort of moral cudgel. Maybe obsessing on transition as some sort of sinful act leads to fantasizing about children being raped by doctors or their parents? Such a weird thing to fixate on.

 

Then maybe you should be understanding of the fact that just as religion is no excuse to cover up for abuse, neither is medical licsense. I had to destroy that utterly stupid argument.

But I know, you assume that I'm religious and you could "get me" with that comment, but I'm not, so your effort was wasted.

 

I’m not here to “get you”. No quantity of sympathy, patience, or logic provided on my part would sway you.

 

And what medical board agreed with him? That's right. No legitimate medical board considers rape a medical procedure.

You're really reaching here. Like, I'm afraid you might dislocate something.

 

Medical boards approved lobotomies too, that's no argument. This isn't really difficult. If a 15 year old goes to a doctor and wants to be sterilized it shouldn't be legal, no matter how many doctors can be found that are willing to perform it. And there's a really weird cult-like fervor behind this. You lefties refuse to acknowledge the victims because you're so desparate for your tribe to be right.

 

I don't have a tribe.
Laws have allowed far worse than lobotomies. They've allowed actual imprisonment, torture, and murder of humans.

Things change. Nothing you can say will make the law a better judge of medical necessity than trained medical professionals.

 

My cat could kill that mouse.

 

Good. So just because something is legal doesn't mean it's ok, just as the fact that doctors do something doesn't make it ok.

You can't listen to the victims who are speaking out and honestly say these procedures are "medical necessities". In fact, I don't know how you can make such a statement with a functioning brain. Since when did blocking puberty become a "medical necessity". You deluded by cult-like thinking whether you realize it or not.

 

If there were a movement among conservative christian youth, who felt they needed to take puberty blockers in order to not develop sexual desires, so they could stay celibate for the rest of their lives, and doctors were giving them those medications, would you not see that as a problem?

It's one thing for adults to do as they wish, but it's about age of consent.

 

Bad things do happen. We'll never prevent all bad things.

Removing the choice from the child, parents and doctor would be far worse than a very few of them potentially making the wrong choice.

Blocking puberty is a medical necessity when the doctor says it is. Far more people are made happy and have better health outcomes by this right than are harmed by it.

To prevent the most from harm you increase access to care. Access to second opinions. Access to education. You enable people to make the right choice, you don't make that choice for them by removing rights.

Removing the ability to make the choice is what a cult would do.

 

If licensed doctors deemed those children needed treatment then I would trust that they need treatment.

Removing the right of the parent and child to make the choice with the guidance of a licensed expert professional would be a far worse outcome than a mistake happening.

If mistakes were happening at high enough rates I would support insurance requiring a second opinion and I'd support better access to education.

It is much better for society to empower people to make good choices than it is to remove the ability to make choices.

 

Any time there is a choice there is the possibility of mistakes. Like voting for Trump. I once had two job offers. Took what seemed like the best one. It was a disaster. A slave would have no choice.
The best way to minimize wrong choices is with best possible information. Not by state forcing dictates.

 

Other than puberty blockers don’t work like that, I see no problem with this at all. Your concern with the breeding ability of children is admirable. So few are willing to die on that hill.