OT ACAB All Cops Are Bastards (yes EVERY one)

WTF, Sly?...when the hell did I say or imply that I was a police officer?...are you saying I have to be a police officer to have a perspective or opinion this topic ?...what about the 859 posts from others before this one?...were they all cops?

 

That's the point. It's too broken to fix. It needs replaced.

 

Ahhh..."the grand design".

 

The "Proven Design". It works better everywhere it's been tried.

 

Which is also cool, and I didn't know.

 

Bad Cop!

 

NO problem Sly...I've misread quite a few posts before, myself.

 

The proven design showed reduction in some types of crime in Camden but not some others.

 

Source please?

CCPD Building on 10 Years of Progress in the City

 

Camden's Success Was Achieved by De-Unionizing, Not ...Foundation for Economic Educationhttps://fee.org › articles › camden-s-success-was-achie...

 

Thanks, you beat me to it Hoop...and as you probably already know, there are other sources as well. And there are reasons why other cities have not implemented Camden's experiment.

And while some of Camdens crimes have dropped a bit, others have risen.

 

I liked this part.

But yes. Reeling in the Union benefits were a big part of it.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/12/camden-policing-reforms-313750

You have to get rid of the worst of both sides. You have to throw out politics (and personal biases) and focus on data based solutions.

 

Feel free to share the sources and quote the downsides.

I didn't see any negative results in that link.

I'd love to read them.

 

lol...Oh I can provide links but why should I when they will simply and arbitrarily be dismissed/discounted.

Seen this movie too many times before.

 

Lol, shocking.

I literally just agreed with the link @Hoopguru posted. Heck it agreed with nearly everything I've been saying the entire time.

 

Considering 10-15 years ago Camden's crime rate couldn't have gotten much worse, it tapered off but recently has kinda flat lined and some crimes are actually trending up...and Camden didn't exactly do things on their own...the state has bailed them out because they spent 4-5 times the revenue that they took in.

And again, there are reasons why more and more other cities have not adopted Camden's experiment in droves.

But yeah, gotta love people who choose to acknowledge only small portions of someone's post/link while not acknowledging the rest.


"Camden: A “Defund” Model? Not exactly"

...lol...shocking.

 

How did any of that dispute anything anybody in here has said?

Where are the links that show the negative impacts?

What crimes are trending up?

 

Camden is not a true model for all cities, for Camden maybe, but Camden was so bad that it probably couldn't get any worse and the drop in most crimes dropped nationwide during covid.

They really have not shown they can do it without help, and in their case, they simply used state aid instead of their own revenue to practically double the size of their police force, making Camden now one of the most "policed" cities in the country in proportion to their size.

Camden basically threw money at the problem...and spending 6 times the revenue that they take in is certainly a negative impact.

 

New Jersey cities;