Good point. He didn't specifically say the word bleach. He said disinfectant, instead. And then got the doctor's to agree to test injecting it
No alternate universe so no one knows that. Trumpers were hoping to get Sanders voters so didn't attack him but reportedly had huge volume of attack talking points ready. Jew, socialist. They were ready to turn him into Pol Pot. I do agree with point. Big majority wants legal abortion, gun safety, immigration reform, health care.
Sanders would have handled all of that with no problems. It's what he does. He would have done more Fox Town Halls and taken a huge percentage of Trump's supporters. Did you see the Fox Town Hall he did and actually turned the MAGA crowd against the hosts? They were cheering Sanders and almost jeering the hosts. It would have been a monumental disaster for Trump to face Sanders. Sanders has all of the facts on his side and he loves talking about them in detail. And he explains them in a way that people listen. Oh well. As you say, there is no alternate universe for us to know for sure, but I would have loved to see it. Sanders would never have lost the rust belt to Trump.
Yes, the mainstream media has a vested interest in keeping us from getting M4A. Because... uhm, why? Yes, that's a good question. Unfortunately, your answer isn't so good: Marianne definitely isn't electable. She's got absolutely nothing to offer. Bernie could have been elected, and in the grand scheme of things, came quite close. But he failed to win the primaries, in 2016 and again in 2020. Most people who run don't win, and he didn't. Bernie didn't lose primaries primarily because people were afraid to vote for him because they thought he was unelectable. You know, there's a story about every single candidate that they are unelectable. It's not just Bernie. Hillary is unelectable because she's a woman. Joe is unelectable because he's too old. Trump is unelectable because he's a felon. Obama is unelectable because he's black. Bernie is unelectable because...? Bernie lost because he didn't get as many votes. It happens. All the time. It isn't some grand conspiracy when your favorite candidate loses. Yeah, Bernie had some things that didn't go his way. Some people actually opposed his candidacy! Some people tried to help his opponents in ways that were unfair! The job of a politician is to overcome those obstacles. I don't think Bernie faced anywhere near the structural hurdles that Obama had, yet Obama was able to slay the dragon Hillary. barfo
Lmao this reads like Chris Matthews wrote it no offense. But you've been poisoned by decades with these talking points so I'm not surprised. I think you're well-intentioned but incredibly misguided due to what you've been fed for so long. It's all about framing. Did or didn't Jake Tapper not say we can't afford his healthcare plan when his healthcare plan actually costs less than what we're paying now according to the CBO? You really don't understand why corporate news doesn't want medicare for all? Really? I guess you don't know what you don't know. Marianne has nothing to offer? She's on the right side on every economic issue and sides with Bernie on most issues. The American people as well. You could keep parroting the MSNBC propaganda, that's fine. But it has no basis in reality. Continue to enjoy the failed policies of neo-liberalism and it's dishonest pushers in the corporate media. They'll continue to tell you Manchin is a "centrist" when he's to the right with most of America. It's all about framing. How you can't acknowledge that Marianne Williamson is better than Joe Biden on at least the top 10 issues just tells me you've been drinking the MSNBC kool-aid and I'm not even a huge fan of her.
Because they are literally owned by large corporations who make more money off of the current system and have vastly more leverage over their employees as a result of it as well. Thereby protecting their establishment advantage. By limiting opportunities for newer hungrier and leaner upstarts. Agreed. Blocked by corporate Dems and Media once again. For reasons mentioned above. Even though he offered what most people actually want. ... he would actually work to shift real power back from corporations and toward the people. The others wouldn't at even close to similar levels. Actually did. CNN actually gave Hillary privileged information leading up to the CNN debate... The DNC was actively coming up with stories internally to discredit Sanders. This is all proven. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html Obama was on the take as well. He agreed to play ball with the corporations, DNC and military.
Calling people stupid and brainwashed isn't very persuasive. Some of you are starting to sound like Trump. Election was rigged and stolen! All that is lacking are exclamation points.
The insanely wealthy really do engage in collusion and price fixing. And we really do allow them to literally bribe our politicians. We call it lobbying and it is considered a feature by corporations and politicians alike. This is not some hidden conspiracy. Both the DNC and RNC are set up to enforce that state level and higher politicians spend most of their time groveling to a list of lobbyists. Anybody who does not comply receives no support for their agenda, therefore they get nothing accomplished and are typically voted out their next term. Again, this is considered a feature of American politics by the wealthy and corporations. Lobbying offers the highest return on investment available.
Its how many politicians get rich...Im all for new law's that prohibit lobbying whatever that may look like.
She may propose better policies than Joe Biden but she doesn't connect with or inspire confidence with enough people.
It's not about people, it's about unveiling the dishonesty by the mainstream media. It's about framing. They'll tell you Manchin is moderate when he's considered extreme by voters. They'll call Bernie extreme and unelectable when 70-80% of the population agrees with Bernie's positions. They've used fear to make people vote against their own self interests. And it certainly isn't just Fox doing it. CNN and MSNBC are doing it to Democratic voters.
That's ok. Jake Tapper is a moron. Yes, he has a show, and he says stupid stuff. If a candidate can't overcome Jake Tapper, then how is he going to overcome any other hurdles that come along? I guess not. So do you - does that qualify you to be president? Good to know. I'm fine saying she's better than Joe on various issues. But there's much more to both getting elected, and serving, than taking policy positions. barfo
While I agree, you do have to get the people on board with your policies... And I don't think she can do that.
Yes, the media are either large corporations or owned by large corporations. Agreed. Now, why do large corporations oppose M4A? Leverage over employees? I guess you are saying that employees have to keep working to keep their healthcare, and thus are disincentivized to quit and form their own media companies? I suppose that's true to some extent, but it's a pretty small extent. Small companies can purchase health insurance, it's a bit more expensive than what big companies pay, but it's not something that would ever keep a media startup from happening. And more generally, it's pretty easy in this country to start a new business. Zillions of people do it every year. Or maybe you are just saying that corporations have an investment in the current general societal order, so they want to maintain it. That's fair. If you are a revolutionary, you'll be fighting the corporations as well as government. And a lot of citizens, for that matter, are also invested in the current system and want to see it continue in some form. "Burn it all down" isn't appealing to a majority of people at this time. It's also pretty irrelevant excuse-making. Why didn't he win in 2020 then? I guess a different conspiracy against him? If your starting point is that we need to burn the whole thing down, that's an accurate statement, I guess. I expect I've been brainwashed by MSNBC into thinking that we can change the system without setting fire to it. barfo
Not only to prevent them from starting a competing business, but even just by making employees that much more afraid to lose their job. Or work for a smaller competitor who doesn't quite have the benefits yet. And even if they do offer healthcare it may not support specific thing you need. And you won't ACTUALLY know until you have already switched. Our current healthcare model is anticompetitive and predatory all around. It is nothing book good for established businesses and nothing but bad from pretty much everybody else. I'm not interested in burning anything down. Only building up by empowering the people of this country. All of them. [/QUOTE] Same reasons as 2016. The DNC and establishment had their puppet and they supported him. Until Biden was dug out of his basement Sanders was set to run away with the democratic primary. Nope. Burning it down (via violence, etc) can only have two outcomes. The people lose more power because it fails or half of the population dies in a successful overthrowing of the the US government. In which case, we don't know what we'll end up with. Just as likely to be something worse as something better. I don't know what the solution is. I think I know what the big problems are, but I don't see how we can actually solve them. We need our leaders to want more than anything to make sound policy that helps empower and education the population. To get that, we'll need the population to support policies that limit the power of money in politics. That will take an educated population. But we are destroying our education system...
She's already on the side of the American people on all the top policies. The problem is the mainstream media is shutting her out of getting any exposure so they don't know she exists.
Totally agree with you on that, of course. Just don't see the connection to why the media would be particularly concerned with keeping it from being fixed. Edit: actually I disagree that it is 'nothing book good' for established businesses. Our current inefficient system costs established businesses lots of money. It might be (marginally) good in terms of keeping competition down, but it's bad for profits, and that's way more important. I don't know the solution either, of course. Campaign finance reform is badly needed, but it isn't clear how we even get there. barfo
Did you forget? Bernie was about 24 hours away from taking it all before Obama got everyone to drop out and support the guy who was in 6th place. Joe Biden. Even George Bush thanked Clyburn for getting Biden elected. If Bernie was elected, I'm sure he would have been assassinated. As long as bribery is legal in our political system, there's no way to change it honestly. And I'm not saying burning everything down results in a perfect system either. That would likely mean a lot of strife. When you look at history, usually a few years after the first coup attempt there's a successful coup attempt. We aren't far. This isn't working for most people.
I don't think it's much of an expense at all, considering all of the competitors have to offer it as well. It's just a cost of doing business to them. They bill out rates high enough to cover it, hire somebody to deal with it and that's one more thing they can offer easier than smaller companies. Big established companies love that stuff. More lock in.
