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The police literally escorted people inside. Some were unruly and broke things, some took selfies and some just meandered around. There wasn’t a planned insurrection with a stated goal everyone was on board with. No Donald Trump didn’t tell anyone to riot or enter the capitol. It was a shit show and when the doors were opened a handful of opportunists went inside to make some sort of a point by occupying the building temporarily. Most if not all got bored and left on their own accord. The only person who died violently was a Trump supporter who was shot through a door. The entire “insurrection” narrative is exaggerated.
If attempted murder and attempted kidnapping are your big claims then why isn’t anyone being charged with those specific crimes? I find it really interesting all these grandiose claims of incitement, insurrection etc. people use to justify Jan 6 prosecutions or Trump indictments don’t reflect the actual charges being handed out. Most of the charges are obscure and outdated and are being interpreted extremely loosely.

 

Wow, just fucking wow...some people can talk themselves into anything...especially when they refuse to answer a simple yes or no question. What happened on Jan. 6th was by definition, an "insurrection"...and was "unacceptable".

Spin it however you like to somehow attempt to claim otherwise, but what happened on Jan 6th was flat out wrong and unacceptable...and cannot happen ever again.

 

Trump literally told them to walk to the capital. And told them they had to fight like hell.

 

Millions of people see what’s going right now as an egregious weaponization of the justice system, and a blatant attempt at the very type of election interference they are claiming to be prosecuting. I think there’s a strong case for those viewpoints when you consider how dubious and obscure the laws behind the indictments are.
What are people going to do when, on top of inflation, taxation without representation and rampant corruption among other things, they feel their vote has also been taken away? Not sure. Maybe you are right, maybe shit will get crazy.

 

Agreed.

 

I think we both know those statements weren’t made in the context of “let’s overthrow the government.” Especially after you consider his pleads for people to remain peaceful in the very same address. He was clearly referring to the upcoming legal battles and the “fight” to prove his belief that there was some type of meddling.
The argument has to at least start from some place of honesty or it will just never go anywhere.

 

Then what in the hell do you think Trump's message to them was all about?...and you claim that Trump "pled" for the insurrectionists to remain peaceful?


...and you have the gall to use the term "honesty"?...and you have the gall to say that I'm the one who's a "troll"?...please.

 

His belief there was some sort of election meddling that took place and the ensuing legal battles to come. Pretty straightforward.

That’s just a fact. That is a thing that happened. Not sure how to explain that to you any differently.

Correct.

 

Sorry, but those "millions" you referenced are in the minority. And to claim that he "pled" for the insurrectionists to be peaceful is at best a gross exaggeration.

 

lol...no, that would make you and your führer both woefully wrong. His vanity and/or beliefs about the election does not justify or excuse him for what he did and what he will have to answer for.

 

I firmly believe he was trying to get them to the capital and in a frenzied state.

I think he kept saying "peaceful" because he was coached to do so and was covering his own ass.

I firmly believe he deliberately understaffed the capital police.

I firmly believe he had set up the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and others to get the crowd further into a frenzy and lead them to attacking the capital building.

If he didn't want them to be violent he would have made an appearance and told them to stop. They went there and did exactly what he wanted. Only they were less capable than he hoped.

 

But you aren’t able to prove that in any way shape or form.

 

Common sense "trumps" idiocy every time.

 

That is an opinion and you are entitled to it.

I would ask you to look into this a little deeper. Trump requested four days prior the national guard be present on the 6th but the request was denied. Capitol police corroborate this as well as the fact that Nancy Pelosi herself held off the deployment of NG for over an hour during the entering of the capitol by protesters.

There isn’t evidence for that but you can believe it.

Again, speculation. If you want to point out things could’ve been handled better though you won’t get a ton of pushback from me.

 

Noted.

 

I don’t pay for WP and the apnews link doesn’t load, but here’s an official capitol police timeline of events in pdf form:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf

 

Yes. And it's backed up by his speech and his refusal to publicly call the crowd off, even when his own people were pleading with him to do so.

See Sly's links on this.

Key Trump Allies Were Talking to Proud Boys Before Jan. 6, Committee Says

I think it was handled exactly as Trump intended to handle it.

I fully believed Trump was going to be just a bumbling idiot of a president when he was elected. He was far more dangerous than I thought he would be. I'd love nothing more than to just believe he handled things poorly.

It was far worse than that.

 

You don't have to pay for The Washington Post to read that. I don't and it loaded fine.

But just in case, here is an archived copy.

https://archive.fo/kREH3

And an Archived copy of the AP piece as well... though, the original loaded for me.

https://archive.ph/ROLhE