Toronto Raptors Dame trade ideas and rumors

It’s light years different money in Miami than it would be in Toronto. The tax difference is staggering

 

Kawhi threatened not to play AFTER he was traded. Dame ain’t like that.

 

The game was tied. Toronto probably wins in OT even if he misses.

 

Question for the group: what if the raptors are trying to swing this trade without including OG or Barnes? I think they can cobble enough salary with Dick, Boucher, GT Jr., and OPJ.

Let's assume the number of picks are equal (though you could certainly value the raptors' future picks more highly than the Heat's). How would you compare that package to Miami's (assuming that Herro has been already been flipped to equalize picks with this hypothetical Toronto package)?

It'd be a one-year shot for Toronto as they would enter cap hell quickly if they were hoping to retain everyone the following year, but it is an interesting hypothetical.

 

I’m confused. Kawhi being a rental was good for them?

 

I was asking about that a day or two ago

216M over 4 years...and Dame gets millions on top of that in endorsement money; maybe a total of 65-70M/year...Canada vs Florida...Even allowing for a federal tax credit on a percentage of taxes paid in Canada, I'd think the difference could be several million dollars/year

 

I think most people would.

I don't think Joe would.

 

You could flip Ayton at the deadline. You could keep Ayton.

You could flip Grant at the deadline. You could keep Grant.

You could flip OG at the deadline. You could keep OG.

This is a rebuild—keep the pieces you like and you can patiently move on at your leisure on the others. We can react to each individual move but there is no rush to finalize the roster—this team is going to be shit regardless, the west is insane this year.

 

Yeah, that's definitely a better alternative. More assets and hoping to get him is better than having fewer assets and hoping he doesn't leave.

I'm cool with Ayton if Portland doesn't give up much in terms of picks/young players in order to get him. If it's Nurk and Martin to Phoenix on top of everything else Miami would give us, then that's fine with me. He's under contract and couldn't be flipped for multiple firsts like OG could.

 

They can offer fewer picks than Miami right now. They can open up two though, which is as many as Miami can.

Miami would almost certainly be trading Herro to another team for assets, Toronto in this deal wouldn't be. So that's already more assets coming from Miami.

Jaquez & Jovic > Dick. GTJ has no value for me when we already have Scoot, Simon's, and Sharpe and GTJ would have one year left on his deal and probably walk.

Don't see how they possibly beat Miami with that sort of package.

 

Would rather flip OG now when he has more value instead of him helping us play our way into a worse lottery pick then potentially getting less for him at the deadline. They have years to identify the best starting frontcourt next to Scoot & Sharpe. Maximizing assets and having multiple chances at getting those guys as they come into the league makes more sense to me.

 

The thing on Joe's side, for once, is time. He's been in a hyper-leveraged situation since he took over, whether it's trying to win for dame with limited pieces, or trying to get under the cap, or trying to flip guards for 2-way win-now forwards. Did he make the best of those situations? You be the judge.

But this is why the Herro bit is important. Joe is trying to put himself in a situation where he isn't positionally blocking development—where other teams KNOW he has to make a move.

We can sit here and project a Presti-style rebuild onto the future, but it might take a tick to unwind and extract value from these assets even if the ultimate goal 'is' a rebuild. What if Ayton pops with the kids in a new environment? What if OG thrives with higher usage? What if Anfernee Simons finally adds rim pressure to his game and is a slightly different type of defensive player without Dame next to him? Time and evaluation are tools here and there's no longer a 33-year old franchise legend telegraphing your moves to the market before-the-fact.

And sure, next season you'll probably want to have a little more runway for Ant, Scoot and Shaedon to cook. But I think both will get plenty of additional run this season to grow their games, respectively.

 

Yeah, it really comes down to how much one values Gradey Dick (I actually like him a touch more than Jovic and Jaquez individually) and if you believe that the raptors's picks might hold more value than the those from the Heat.

I think it probably does fall short of Miami's offer assuming they are actually putting their assets on the table (which may not even be a given)

 

help me out on this one because I'm scratching my head at this logic.

what?

 

Jaquez, like Dick, is an NBA ready player. Jovic is a project.

If you look at Raptors’ forums, maybe were unhappy with Dick because of his low ceiling. You already drafted a low ceiling player in Murray, so it’s better to get a project who has a much higher ceiling than any of the guys mentioned.

 

Depending on what OG could fetch from another team right now, a Toronto package could look just as good imo.

 

me, I’d collect the best shooter in the draft who has some potential upside defensively vs Jaquez who might have issues defending at the NBA level.

(and I don’t even like gradey dick that much)

 

The salary definitely is affected, but with endorsement money...I have absolutely no clue, but I would think that would ultimately be determined by where you live. So if he lives full time in Oregon, and files his "normal" taxes here, then there likely wouldn't be any change there. Obviously, if he went to Florida, I'm sure he would adjust where he lives full time to there for the tax benefit, but his endorsement money has to be taxed differently than his normal basketball income, and I'd think it would be based on where you reside. Have no clue, that just seems like it'd make the most sense.

 

man some of you make no sense to me.

A lineup of Scoot/Ant/OG/Grant/Ayton with Sharpe and Thybulle off the bench is more balanced and versatile than anything we've put together around Dame since 2014. It has defense, passing, shooting, and we'd finally have a legit front court instead of the 6'3 surplus we always roll out there. It would also allow for Chauncey to finally play an aggressive style of defense that he seems inflexible to change even for personnel that couldn't play it.

But sure, let's flip guys for picks from good teams and go into purgatory once again.