How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

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  1. THE HCP

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    Our future looks better off than it did last season in my opinion. Thats all we can ask a GM to do no?
     
    THE HCP, Sep 27, 2023
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    Other than the draft, I think he's been bad. I don't like that we extended Dame. I didn't like Nurk's contract. I didn't especially like the Grant trade and I hate his new contract. I think paying Thybulle was stupid. I haven't seen any free agent additions this off-season that make any difference.

    The trade today? TBD, but I am not a fan of Ayton at his salary, and I worry that his game is not one that works well in today's NBA and I wonder if he's a slacker/head case. Holiday is potentially going to bring us more value, but I don't find a single draft pick in six years and draft swaps very compelling a return at present.

    The draft, especially where we picked, is the most important part of his job given where we are as a franchise so I'm overall not too bummed about things, but I still fear we're going to be mediocre with young players and overpaid veterans rather than making a real commitment to a rebuild. I guess we'll wait and see.
     
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    In a perfect world, but considering the market, I would grade according to what was available. Was there a trade in your opinion that was better that he failed to obtain?
     
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    Bring back Olshey
     
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    I didn't have the venom towards Dame that a lot of you did but I love the fact that him going to a team other than Miami seems to have mended fences between many of you and Dame. Dame should be a beloved Blazer forever.

    That being said, Joe looks pretty fucking good today and as long as he does even a pretty good job when he moves Jrue, his stock will have shot way way up in my book.
     
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    Mote, Sep 27, 2023
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    Dame said he would only go to Miami and wow, he didn't go to Miami. Let's give Joe Cronin credit!!!
     
    Paine Tablet, Sep 27, 2023
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    I heard Marc Spears interviewed today on local Bay Area sports talk. Marc has ins all over the league, but growing up in the Bay Area has ties locally including with Dame. He stated that Dame's agent (Aaron Goodwin) told DL 2 weeks ago that Miami wasn't going to happen and to open his team options or start the season as a PTB. Milwaukee was one of the spots Dame was open to, so Goodwin reached out to them and let them know.

    I am very pleased by this trade and am excited to see what they'll get back for Jrue. The local sports talk guesses were that it would be substantial as Jrue's addition to the right team could move them from contender status to favorite. I'm hoping the value back is mostly in draft capitol as Scoot & SS are a few seasons away at the least. The local guys were throwing out CP3 (expiring contract) + Kuminga as a no brainer for the W's... I was thinking add an unprotected 2025 or 26 first and we're talking. Among others, I'd guess the Clippers would be very interested

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    STOMP, Sep 27, 2023
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    Joe got a better deal than Miami was willing to offer. I'm stoked.

    Now we can go take what Miami was offering if we want. And maybe teams will be more interested in taking Herro now that the big boys are off the table...
     
    Phatguysrule, Sep 27, 2023
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    Ask after Holliday is traded but right now he did solid but he put himself in this hole when he crapped on Dame instead of being up front with him. I will say it again -- I hate that Dame is gone but all Joe had to do was shoot straight with Dame and tell him that they were not going to give up Scoot ( 3rd ) to get him help then only issue might be with the choice to move on from Dame. I was ok with idea of moving on from Dame the more I thought about it cause I was not sure there was a route where Dame gets a ring with the Blazers cause unless Giannis or Jokic or maybe Joel became available none of the options on the table screamed championship contender at best 3rd to 4 th seed or so.
     
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    I'm interested in what Toronto wants to send our way.
     
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    There was no realistic route for Portland to have been managed since Joe took over that would have resulted in them being a contender. They never had the capspace or assets to attain any of the guys you listed. The only thing happening that might have pushed them into that status w/Dame is winning the last lotto, but even that would have taken a few seasons. Its not Joe's fault he inherited a shit sandwich of a roster

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    According to Marc Spears, Dame didn't want to go to Toronto as he didn't believe in their roster.

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    STOMP, Sep 27, 2023
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    Good. So this is Toronto saving face and keeping a relationship with OG. Until we trade Jrue for him
     
    RonBrewer, Sep 27, 2023
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    Thank you.
     
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    I actually was saying it months ago, but I'm really coming around on Joe.

    He's not Sell Low Joe anymore.
     
    Natebishop3, Sep 27, 2023
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    Everybody knew we were taking a hit for a Lillard trade but Joe addressed a position of need and did Dame a sold hooking him up with Giannis. Scoot is going to love Ayton. Already word is Boston, Philly, Nets, Clippers are interested in Jrue Holiday
     
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    Trading Grant will be the next step on committing to a full rebuild. It was either overpay Grant and retain that asset, or lose him for nothing.

    At the end of the day, we converted old assets that weren't going anywhere (Dame/CJ), into a bunch of younger pieces. At least there's more flexibility and runway now to make future moves. And this is a Doom'er perspective. At best, guys like Ayton have a rebirth and exceed expectations.
     
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    At least your screen name is fitting, because this sentiment is indeed inconceivable.
     
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